Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-12-30 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Fred Gohlke wrote: Good Morning, Kristofer re: I agree with your first point [that extending the rights of humans to non-human entities is a flawed concept], but the precedent seems to go all the way back to 1886. Precedent has a place in our lives but it ought not, and need not, be

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-30 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 04:44 AM 12/28/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: [it was written:] I am satisfied that there are perfectly adequate vote once systems available for all public elections, both single-office elections and assembly elections. If they

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-30 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:36 AM 12/28/2008, James Gilmour wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:45 AM The UK is also parliamentary, so I suppose there would be few places where you could actually have a runoff. Given that all members of the UK Parliament

[EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2008-12-30 Thread Terry Bouricius
I take offense at Abd repeatedly suggesting I am a liar or am engaging in deception. We have a legitimate difference of opinion about the appropriate use of the term majority and interpretation of RRONR. At the outset, we might all agree that no system can really assure a _true_ majority

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-30 Thread Paul Kislanko
Just for clarity, can we agree that In Bucklin, after the first round, there is no majority. is a non-sequitor? There aren't rounds in Bucklin. All counts for all (#voters ranking alternative x = rank n are known simultaneously. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:55 PM 12/30/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: However, consider this: the Plurality voting system (FPTP) encourages compromise already. There would have been more sincere first preference votes. My guess, though, is that the use of, say, Bucklin, would have

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:46 PM 12/30/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:48 AM 12/28/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That makes the entire cycle, including polls and feedback, into one election system. Method is too narrow, because the system