Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed "Nash equilibrium" concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-23 Thread Warren Smith
> Warren Smith wrote: >> ... I think you are pretty much right... But I think there is a >> deeper truth First of all, as I said in the ESF thread quoting >> Selten, it is interesting to consider the consequences of >> maximally-rational behavior, even if humans aren't it. Second, >> there is

Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed "Nash equilibrium" concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-23 Thread Michael Allan
Warren, Jameson and Kristofer, > > For my part, I argue that Nash can *never* be applied within the > > context of voting. The reality as evidenced by the empirical data > > (in vivo) invalidates the basic assumptions of Nash. Individual > > voters are *not* attempting to affect the outcome of e

Re: [EM] How close to IIAC?

2010-04-23 Thread fsimmons
Suppose that voters fill out questionnaires of twenty or more yes/no answers. What is a good way to calculate the “distance” between questionnaires? (Remember this is the key to getting an IIAC compliant voting system.) The big problem is that some of the questions are apt to be clones of e

[EM] MinMax(AWP) and Participation

2010-04-23 Thread Chris Benham
 Forest wrote: "..MinMax is the only commonly known Condorcet method that satisfies the following weak form of Participation: If A wins and then another ballot with A ranked unique first is added to the count, A still wins." That is Mono-add-Top, I think coined by Douglas Woodall. It is met by

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:56 AM 4/23/2010, Jameson Quinn wrote: [I'd written:} About a century ago, a proposal was made in a major western U.S. city to have a city council where each member exercised, in the council, the number of votes they got in the election. Which city? When? Well, I couldn't find it. Port

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
> About a century ago, a proposal was made in a major western U.S. city to > have a city council where each member exercised, in the council, the number > of votes they got in the election. > > Which city? When? Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:16 AM 4/23/2010, Michael Allan wrote: Duane Johnson wrote: > This sounds quite interesting, Abd ul-Rahman. Where can I learn > about your FA/DP idea? ... (I know about delegable proxy, but > haven't heard about FA/DP specifically). DP may have other applications, too, aside from FA. T

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Duane I think your idea of formulating a political process that is based on listening to the views of the people is important. However, accomplishing such an end is non-trivial. Raph Frank did a good job of critiquing your proposal, so I won't repeat his effort. However, I ur

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2010-04-23 Thread peter barath
Admitting that I didn'f fully follow the topic: I think my selfish incentives are enough to make me vote. Maybe I have also altruistic incentives but they are surplus. Also, my selfish incentives in great part have ethical and community nature, but still selfish. How can a selfish motive have eth

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Andrew Myers wrote: On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: However, I strongly urge people who attempt to analyze the situation and to propose reforms to: 1. Keep it simple. An extraordinarily powerful system for fully proportional representation consisting of a seemingly-simple tweak

Re: [EM] Uncovered set methods (Re: How close can we get to the IIAC)

2010-04-23 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: By the way, (contrary to Marcus' confusion) UncAAO does satisfy Monotonicity, Clone Independence, IDPA, and Independence from Non-Smith Alternatives, as well as the following: 1. It elects the same member of a clone set as the method would when restricted to the clone