Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Jameson Quinn
2010/2/10 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com At 02:16 PM 2/10/2010, Jameson Quinn wrote: What if the bribe is payable only after the vote, and only for effective votes? (And don't say that the bribegiver can't be trusted. Since corruption is often a very cheap investment for the

[EM] Archdruid Eileen: On Voting Systems

2010-02-11 Thread Jonathan Lundell
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Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:08 PM 2/10/2010, Dave Ketchum wrote: Condorcet does an N*N matrix showing for EACH pair of candidates which is better liked - used in counting and usable by others to help plan their future. Often there is a CW which wins for winning in all of its pairs; else a cycle in which each would

Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Jameson Quinn
Consider the following votes: 34 A 33 BC 33 CB. The Condorcet winner is A, because in the two pairwise elections involving A, A wins AB, 34:33 AC, 34:33. Huh? I count 66 voters who prefer either B or C over A. Change it up: 49 A 26 BC 25 CB Now the CW is B. In the C vs. B

Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Rob LeGrand
Abd wrote: 34 A 33 BC 33 CB. The Condorcet winner is A, because in the two pairwise elections involving A, A wins AB, 34:33 AC, 34:33. Assuming that by the above votes you mean 34:AB=C 33:BCA 33:CBA, A is not the Condorcet winner and is in fact the Condorcet loser, losing both A:B and

Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:45 PM 2/11/2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: 34 A 33 BC 33 CB. The Condorcet winner is A, because in the two pairwise elections involving A, A wins AB, 34:33 AC, 34:33. Oops. Of course, A is the Condorcet loser. I added the second preferences as an afterthought. I meant 34 A 33 B

Re: [EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-11 Thread Dave Ketchum
We all get careless and stumble, sooner or later! But I choke on two details here: You misuse the label plurality - having only the ability to vote for 1 even though, for many races most intelligent voters will find there is only one candidate deserving approval. Even Approval has more