[EM] proxy ideas: continual consideration, and proxy committees

2010-04-08 Thread Thomas von der Elbe
Hello James, I am Thomas from Germany. Sorry if my English is a bit strange. I am also a member of the Votorola-Project. I like very much, that you are doing theoretical work on this subject. As far as I'm aware, this is quite needed. In your paper you write about the one benefit of

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Write-ins permitted (if few write-ins expected, counters may lump all such as if a single candidate - if assumption correct the count verifies it; if incorrect, must recount). How do you handle write-ins. Are

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Apr 8, 2010, at 5:57 AM, Raph Frank wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Write-ins permitted (if few write-ins expected, counters may lump all such as if a single candidate - if assumption correct the count verifies it; if incorrect, must

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Juho
On Apr 8, 2010, at 3:29 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: This is some thought about keeping it simple, yet doable. I will lean toward Ranked Pairs with margins, not sure what with margins does. There are different approaches to determining

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Apr 7, 2010, at 8:29 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: This is some thought about keeping it simple, yet doable. I will lean toward Ranked Pairs with margins, not sure what with margins does. i'll read below... vs comparing per winning

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:57 AM 4/8/2010, Raph Frank wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Write-ins permitted (if few write-ins expected, counters may lump all such as if a single candidate - if assumption correct the count verifies it; if incorrect, must

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 8:29 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: This is some thought about keeping it simple, yet doable. I will lean toward Ranked Pairs with margins, not sure what with margins

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Juho
On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:30 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: i do not know why anyone would back the winning votes metric for beat strength. I guess the main driver has been that winning votes is more tolerant than margins against strategic burying in some scenarios. (There are however

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- En date de : Jeu 8.4.10, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com a écrit : Juho just explained it, so now i know (earlier i had wondered if margins was a normalized or percentage beat strength).  i've always thought that the Tideman RP was *only* framed in terms of margins. 

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Juho
On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Kevin Venzke wrote: I more or less despise the election of A in this scenario: 49 A 24 B 27 CB I believe the possibility of this outcome is a disincentive for a candidate like C to run. The story behind these votes seems to be that C is ideologically close

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
Being the you that Raph was addressing, I offer what I was proposing. As the subject indicates, the topic is Condorcet voting. Also, listing a candidate who is on the ballot, and could be voted for as such, should be counted as a misdeed - such could be voted for in the normal manner

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Juho, --- En date de : Jeu 8.4.10, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : I more or less despise the election of A in this scenario: 49 A 24 B 27 CB I believe the possibility of this outcome is a disincentive for a candidate like C to run. The story behind these votes seems

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi Juho, --- En date de : Jeu 8.4.10, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : I more or less despise the election of A in this scenario: 49 A 24 B 27 CB I believe the possibility of this outcome is a disincentive for a candidate like C to run.

Re: [EM] Condorcet How?

2010-04-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Dave, --- En date de : Jeu 8.4.10, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com a écrit : --- En date de : Jeu 8.4.10, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : I more or less despise the election of A in this scenario: 49 A 24 B 27 CB I believe the possibility of this outcome is a