Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: I do not understand 'no resolution': By time N1 there have been 10 votes in the poll - to analyze as a complete Condorcet election. By time N2 there have been 2 more, for a total of 12 to analyze as if a complete election. Any such election may produce a CW. Those

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:12:21 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: I do not understand 'no resolution': By time N1 there have been 10 votes in the poll - to analyze as a complete Condorcet election. By time N2 there have been 2 more, for a total of 12 to analyze as if a complete

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANYTHING cam get tampered with if enough doors are left ajar, including paper ballots (such as discarding, editing, or replacing some). True, but paper ballots must be tampered with one at a time and it takes many many more

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-03 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:45:16 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANYTHING cam get tampered with if enough doors are left ajar, including paper ballots (such as discarding, editing, or replacing some). True, but paper ballots must be

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More complete defenses are possible with electronics. Totally FALSE statement. In fact there has never been even a theoretical design for an electronic voting system or even electronic paper ballot vote counting system that

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: In simulation there is value, and sometimes excessive temptation, in tailoring test cases to favor a desired result. Maybe try an open simulator. Make the electorate engine pluggable so experimenters can try different voting behaviours. That should protect against