[EM] Remember Toby

2011-05-28 Thread S Sosnick
On 27-May-2011, Jameson Quinn, wrote, I agree [with Juho Laatu]. If minimax is twice as likely to be adopted, because it's simpler, and gives 95% of the advantage vs. plurality of the theoretically-best Condorcet methods, then it *is* the best. And besides, if we try to get consensus on

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-05-28 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On May 28, 2011, at 3:41 PM, S Sosnick wrote: On 27-May-2011, Jameson Quinn, wrote, I agree [with Juho Laatu]. If minimax is twice as likely to be adopted, because it's simpler, and gives 95% of the advantage vs. plurality of the theoretically-best Condorcet methods, then it *is* the

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-05-28 Thread Juho Laatu
On 28.5.2011, at 23.16, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On May 28, 2011, at 3:41 PM, S Sosnick wrote: On 27-May-2011, Jameson Quinn, wrote, I agree [with Juho Laatu]. If minimax is twice as likely to be adopted, because it's simpler, and gives 95% of the advantage vs. plurality of the

Re: [EM] Maximin

2011-05-28 Thread S Sosnick
On 28-May-2011, Robert Bristow-Johnson wrote, is there any good reason to use minimax of winning votes (clipped at zero) over minimax using margins? it seems to me that a candidate pairing where Candidate A just squeaks by Candidate B, but where a lotta people vote should have less weight

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-05-28 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Robert, --- En date de : Sam 28.5.11, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com a écrit : will minimax of margins decide differently than ranked pairs?  if the cycle has only three candidates, it seems to me that it must be equivalent to ranked pairs. It is the same with three.

Re: [EM] Statement by this list (was Remember toby Nixon)

2011-05-28 Thread James Gilmour
On 27.5.2011, at 10.01, Jameson Quinn wrote: 1. We draw up a statement which details the serious problems with plurality in the US context, and states that there are solutions. Juho Laatu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:43 PM Good approach. I have one comment on the target statement.

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-05-28 Thread Juho Laatu
On 29.5.2011, at 1.33, Kevin Venzke wrote: Margins elects A here: 35 AB 25 B 40 C Is this going to be defensible when this method is proposed? Can you argue a case for A without mindreading off of the blank areas of the ballots? I guess the common assumption is that the unranked

Re: [EM] Statement by this list (was Remember toby Nixon)

2011-05-28 Thread Juho Laatu
On 29.5.2011, at 2.09, James Gilmour wrote: On 27.5.2011, at 10.01, Jameson Quinn wrote: 1. We draw up a statement which details the serious problems with plurality in the US context, and states that there are solutions. Juho Laatu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:43 PM Good approach. I

Re: [EM] Remember toby

2011-05-28 Thread fsimmons
I agree with Kevin. Winning Votes is much better and easier to defend. But I still think that we should go with a method that is does not require the voters to rank the candidates. From simplest to less simple but still simple enough: 1. Asset Voting 2. Approval 3. DYN 4. MCA 5. The Bucklin

Re: [EM] Remember toby

2011-05-28 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Forest, --- En date de : Sam 28.5.11, fsimm...@pcc.edu fsimm...@pcc.edu a écrit : From simplest to less simple but still simple enough: 1. Asset Voting 2. Approval 3. DYN 4. MCA 5. The Bucklin Variant of Venzke and Benham If by #5 you mean IBIFA, I can't take any credit for that. I

[EM] Generalized symmetric ballot completion (was Hybrid/generalized ranked/approval ballots)

2011-05-28 Thread Peter Zbornik
Dear all, I apologise for some less fortunate attempts to resolve the problem of the generalized incomplete ballot. Now I think I have finally arrived at a good unified treatment the problem, generalized symmetric ballot completion, which respects the power of the blank vote to block elections