Re: [EM] Condorcet divisor method proportional representation

2011-07-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Kathy Dopp wrote: I do not like this system and believe it is improper to call it Condorcet. It seems to have all the same flaws as IRV - hiding the lower choice votes of voters, except if the voter voted for some of the less popular candidates. Thus, I can see there may be lots of cases when

Re: [EM] Condorcet Jury Theorem

2011-07-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Greg Nisbet wrote: my premise, poorly articulated, but my premise nonetheless is that an adaptive voting method that takes into account voters' previous behavior may be able to outperform OMOV in the long run on average. That sounds somewhat like a prediction market, only discrete instead of

Re: [EM] Condorcet divisor method proportional representation

2011-07-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_el...@lavabit.com wrote: Kathy Dopp wrote: I do not like this system and believe it is improper to call it Condorcet. It seems to have all the same flaws as IRV - hiding the lower choice votes of voters, except if the voter voted for

[EM] Toby Pereira, PR voting methods

2011-07-03 Thread Warren Smith
Two are RRV http://rangevoting.org/RRV.html and asset voting http://rangevoting.org/Asset.html A recent real-world election that used RRV is described here: June2011RealWorldRRVvotes.txt In T.P.'s essay it'd be nice if he subdivided it into smaller chunks with subheading titles, and

Re: [EM] What's wrong with the party list system?

2011-07-03 Thread Juho Laatu
On 3.7.2011, at 18.49, Kathy Dopp wrote: Someone from Europe on this list recently said that they did not like the party list system. Why not? Party list seems like a fair, simple system of electing legislators who represent people in approximately the same proportion that they exist in the

Re: [EM] What's wrong with the party list system?

2011-07-03 Thread Juho Laatu
On 3.7.2011, at 20.44, Toby Pereira wrote: The problem I have with party list systems is that you do not elect individuals but organisations, who can then put in who they like. Closed and open party lists have different philosophy. Basic closed lists contain an ordered list of candidates and

Re: [EM] Toby Pereira, PR voting methods

2011-07-03 Thread Toby Pereira
Thank you for your comments, Warren. I've modified the page a bit and put in some subheadings. You'll notice at the bottom of the page that I've mentioned that my version of Proportional Range Voting is not equivalent to normal Range Voting where there is a single winner. It's not simply a

Re: [EM] What's wrong with the party list system?

2011-07-03 Thread James Gilmour
First we have to recognise that there is no one voting system called party list proportional representation. There are probably as many variants of party-list PR as there are countries and jurisdictions using such a system for their public elections. However, these party-list PR voting systems

Re: [EM] What's wrong with the party list system?

2011-07-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
Thanks for the responses. In response to the party leaders having too much control, I believe it is possible to make party-lists on the fly from voters' own rank choice ballots in a way that the most voters would naturally support -- which would put the control into voters' hands and treat all