Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-24 Thread James Gilmour
Kathy Dopp Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:23 PM My point is, that the two examples you gave IMO are very *strong* Condorcet winners in the sense that the vast majority of voters would prefer the Condorcet winner over one or the other of the other two candidates which are far less

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-24 Thread James Gilmour
Ralph Suter Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:12 AM 1. Despite your own certainty about how the real world of partisan politics functions, your opinion is entirely speculative with no basis in historical events, since no Condorcet elections have ever been held in any major public

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-24 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
James Gilmour wrote: Ralph Suter Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:12 AM 1. Despite your own certainty about how the real world of partisan politics functions, your opinion is entirely speculative with no basis in historical events, since no Condorcet elections have ever been held in any

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-24 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer MunsterhjelmSent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:22 PM James Gilmour wrote: You are right, so far as I am aware - there have never been any Condorcet public elections anywhere in the world. That in itself should tell us something as the Condorcet voting system has

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-23 Thread James Gilmour
-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com [mailto:election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Dopp Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:48 PM To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54 In both the following cases

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-23 Thread Kathy Dopp
James, My point is, that the two examples you gave IMO are very *strong* Condorcet winners in the sense that the vast majority of voters would prefer the Condorcet winner over one or the other of the other two candidates which are far less popularly approved. I think the IRV fanatics oppose

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54

2011-09-23 Thread Ralph Suter
Of Kathy Dopp Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:48 PM To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 87, Issue 54 In both the following cases, candidate C, the Condorcet winner, is a GREAT choice because a majority of voters, in both cases, would prefer C