Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:56:01 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: In simulation there is value, and sometimes excessive temptation, in tailoring test cases to favor a desired result. Maybe try an open simulator. Make the electorate engine pluggable so experimenters can try

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: I do not understand 'no resolution': By time N1 there have been 10 votes in the poll - to analyze as a complete Condorcet election. By time N2 there have been 2 more, for a total of 12 to analyze as if a complete election. Any such election may produce a CW. Those

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:12:21 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: I do not understand 'no resolution': By time N1 there have been 10 votes in the poll - to analyze as a complete Condorcet election. By time N2 there have been 2 more, for a total of 12 to analyze as if a complete

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: In simulation there is value, and sometimes excessive temptation, in tailoring test cases to favor a desired result. Maybe try an open simulator. Make the electorate engine pluggable so experimenters can try different voting behaviours. That should protect against

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-02 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:52:31 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: Cycles happen, and perhaps should be reported, but are NOT a reason for he system to do anything special beyond normal analysis and reporting. Of course reporting should e based on total voting, thus updated as soon

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-01 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: I see the Condorcet phantom as going thru the same motions as a real primary or general election, but letting the real elections do the nominating and pay no official attention to results of the phantom. I see a phantom that will nevertheless have real effects (ghost in

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-09-30 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: When there is a cycle (3 or more in a near tie) there could be demos of whatever resolution procedures please someone. I was never concerned with a final decision. I doubt these are in your ballpark: a) Time. Votes are shiftable. If electorate wants to be decisive,

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-09-30 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:19:52 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: When there is a cycle (3 or more in a near tie) there could be demos of whatever resolution procedures please someone. I was never concerned with a final decision. I doubt these are in your ballpark: I see the

[EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again, again

2008-09-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
For some reason, I didn't receive Dave Ketchum's reply to my post about the Condorcet party. So let's try this again, indeed. Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:05:28 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: My goal is using Condorcet, but recognizing that everything

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again, again

2008-09-29 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:45:14 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: For some reason, I didn't receive Dave Ketchum's reply to my post about the Condorcet party. So let's try this again, indeed. Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:05:28 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Dave Ketchum

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-09-28 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea of having a Condorcet party is to gradually transform Plurality elections into Condorcet elections. Disturbing existing elections by marrying in something from Condorcet seems very destructive considering