> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 7:25 AM
> From: "Jean Louis"
> To: "Christopher Dimech"
> Cc: neiljer...@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, "Richard Stallman"
> , tecos...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: LSP is Microsoft's patented protocol - Re: Emacs as an Org LSP
> server
>
> I can understand
I can understand that GNU and Org shall ignore patents and continue without
putting attention.
Jean
Daniel Ravicher found 283 software patents that, if upheld as valid by the
courts, could potentially be used to support patent claims upon the Linux
Kernel. I wonder how many more for Free Software in general!
-
Christopher Dimech
General Administrator - Naiad Informatics
* Richard Stallman [2020-12-15 08:48]:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> > Do you have evidence it is not
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> Do you have evidence it is not patented?
That sort of question is not useful to
* Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-15 07:39]:
> TRS-80 writes:
>
> > We are getting further and further afield from Orgmode discussion,
> > however I wanted to share the following article with anyone else who
> > followed this part of the thread all the way to this point:
>
> Oops. Actually,
* Omar Antolín Camarena [2020-12-15 03:40]:
> > On my side that works. When it is enabled I get screen for Org capture
> > and I can do it.
>
> Odd, it definitely does not work here. If I call org-capture from the
> minibuffer, the *Org Select* buffer does appear, but choosing any
> template
TRS-80 writes:
> We are getting further and further afield from Orgmode discussion,
> however I wanted to share the following article with anyone else who
> followed this part of the thread all the way to this point:
Oops. Actually, hypothes.is is related to org-mode in my mind. Mostly as
a
Ken Mankoff writes:
> Hello list,
> Are other experiencing this behavior? Is there some prefix arg I am missing
> that I should be using? I have not found other complaining about this
> behavior or reporting this issue, so I wonder if I'm missing something. If
> not, I'll work on submitting a
> On my side that works. When it is enabled I get screen for Org capture
> and I can do it.
Odd, it definitely does not work here. If I call org-capture from the
minibuffer, the *Org Select* buffer does appear, but choosing any
template produces an error message of the form:
org-capture: Capture
* Dominik Schrempf [2020-12-15 01:36]:
> I think this is an excellent idea. However, I am not familiar with the legal
> aspects mentioned by Jean.
I hope there will be no legal problems and that my statements will be
proven as wrong.
> So far I had good experiences with language servers. On
* TRS-80 [2020-12-15 01:29]:
> How to annotate literally everything[0]
> by karlicoss
>
> There are quite a lot of other very interesting articles there as well
> in the same (and related) veins. Enjoy!
>
> Cheers,
> TRS-80
>
> [0] https://beepb00p.xyz/annotating.html
Excellent, things to
Hello!
I am infrequent active participant on this list but follow some discussions.
This one I found particularly interesting. I do see both of your points Tim
Cross, and Jean Louis, thank you for your detailed explanations including the
references.
As a user of Emacs and Org mode (and not so
On 2020-12-14 14:08, Jean Louis wrote:
* Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-14 15:55]:
Jean Louis writes:
> * Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-13 03:39]:
>> Jean Louis writes:
>> hypothes.is
>
> I can install it on VPS which is definitely in plan. Locally I do not
> locally I have dynamic knowledge repository
There is definitely nothing wrong in providing Org language server
that runs for different editors who could support the LSP protocol, it
will boost collaboration.
That is pretty much separate subject of the centralization and
strategies we spoke about.
* Tim Cross [2020-12-14 23:19]:
> This is
See also. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-04/msg00798.html
and
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/696pv1/rms_supports_language_server_protocol_integration/
for some discussion. Best,
Tom
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 4:31 PM Tim Cross wrote:
>
>
>
> I am no fan of Microsoft.
Russell Adams writes:
> So in summary, why should anyone contribute to exporting our unique
> features to other editors instead of investing that time making Emacs
> better?
>
You cannot know that such an effort won't also benefit Emacs org mode
users. The greater the user base, the greater
I am no fan of Microsoft. I have run Linux as my primary desktop since
1994. I have been working as a developer since 1988 and have first hand
experience regarding many of the poor business practices of Microsoft.
However, I think the LSP is actually a positive imitative and a
potential benefit
Could Nicholas or Bastien please update on where this stands at this point?
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:53 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bastien wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > just a quick word in this thread to say that we are in feature freeze
> > for Org core
Hi Lawrence,
Lawrence Bottorff writes:
> I'm looking into Haskell (latest ghci) again on org-mode. This
Sadly enough, we don't have a maintainer for ob-haskell.el.
Would you be willing to become the maintainer?
Of course, you can always hand it over to someone else when
you want to. It is
* Russell Adams [2020-12-14 22:20]:
:PROPERTIES:
:CREATED: [2020-12-14 Mon 23:18]
:ID: a24a5299-11e6-4ecf-a6c5-4622f0d6c28b
:END:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:12:43AM +0800, TEC wrote:
> > > [ MS Taint ]
> >
> > I'm a stats student, so if you'll excuse the slightly odd perspective,
Jean Louis writes:
> It may all look nice and shiny. But what you people don't understand
> is that it is Microsoft and deep meaning of Microsoft one can know if
> one researches the history as only so one can see the present and look
> into future. Microsoft never changed its strategies.
1. Capture Option Selection
===
C-n, C-p, C-v work well and one can go through the capture menu easily.
Below the capture buffer, I am seeing another buffer that is displaying events
from the mouse (triple-mouse-1, down-mouse 5, ...) and keyboard (down up up,
...)
that
>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga writes:
> On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:24, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>> Sigh, this is so obvious that it did not occur to me. Thanks
> Sometimes the easiest solution is actually the last one
> considered... happens to me constantly with org mode.
I just realised
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:20:08AM +0800, TEC wrote:
> > Does Worg's landing page updates need to be addressed before we link
> > to it in the header?
>
> I'd like to see it get a little attention along those lines before hand,
> yes :)
Then I defer to your expertise! Though I can help organize
* Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-14 15:46]:
> Jean Louis writes:
> > Do you mean this:
> >
> > ** DONE Objective
> >CLOSED: [2020-12-13 Sun 20:00]
> > *** TODO [#B] Step to do 1
> > *** TODO Step to do 2
> >
> > when org-enforce-todo-dependencies is true I can still say DONE for
> > Objective
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:26:30AM +0800, TEC wrote:
> This simply isn't what's happening here. I'm just starting work on my
> own little project to give non-emacs people a taste of Org's
> capabilities. I didn't think the way I spend my time was such a matter
> of public concern to the Emacs
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:12:43AM +0800, TEC wrote:
> > [ MS Taint ]
>
> I'm a stats student, so if you'll excuse the slightly odd perspective, I
> see the chance of MS being dodgy as a bayesian process. Previous
> knowledge creates an informed prior. It does not allow you to make
> conclusions
* Omar Antolín Camarena [2020-12-14 22:03]:
> > Would you be okay with a user-error message like "Cannot call org-capture
> from the minibuffer"?
>
> Oh, if I'm going to get an error message I don't care which one it is.
> Might as well leave things as they are currently. What I was hoping is
* Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-14 15:55]:
> Jean Louis writes:
>
> > * Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-13 03:39]:
> >> Jean Louis writes:
> >> I have hypothes.is installed inside docker container locally. No serious
> >> protection is required in such case (at least, no more than one would
> >> use to
* TEC [2020-12-14 21:48]:
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> Please read my previous emails before re-iterating the same points.
>
> LSP is not patented, it's just referenced in a patent about MS's fancy
> remote development extension.
Do you have evidence it is not patented?
A patent need not be implemented
Hi Jean,
Please read my previous emails before re-iterating the same points.
LSP is not patented, it's just referenced in a patent about MS's fancy
remote development extension.
Jean Louis writes:
> Enrich it with unencumbered patent-free solutions.
That's what I'm doing :)
--
Timothy.
> Would you be okay with a user-error message like "Cannot call org-capture
from the minibuffer"?
Oh, if I'm going to get an error message I don't care which one it is.
Might as well leave things as they are currently. What I was hoping is that
you would be able to fix org-capture so that you can
Hi Jean,
you quoted the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines already in this
list: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html
May I draw your attention to this specific sentence:
Rather than trying to have the last word, look for the times when
there is no need to reply, perhaps
* TEC [2020-12-14 21:35]:
>
> Jean Louis writes:
>
> > Microsoft have filed patent for LSP languag server protocol:
> > https://uspto.report/patent/app/20190149346
>
> This isn't a patent for LSP (it's an open standard), this is a patent
> for their Remote Development package:
>
* TEC [2020-12-14 20:24]:
>
> Jean Louis writes:
>
> > [LSP is a evil plot from microsoft]
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> I can see that you're overly concerned about Microsoft being able to
> somehow exert control over this. It may assuage your concerns to see an
> example "technology stack" that Org-LSP
Jean Louis writes:
> Microsoft have filed patent for LSP languag server protocol:
> https://uspto.report/patent/app/20190149346
This isn't a patent for LSP (it's an open standard), this is a patent
for their Remote Development package:
Bastien writes:
> I've released Org 9.4.2, a bugfix release.
>
> This version was merged with the emacs-27 branch:
This is the only code that goes into stable branch first and then into
‘master’. Probably we need tweak the process a bit.
Bastien writes:
>>> I've released Org 9.4.2, a bugfix release.
>>>
>>> This version was merged with the emacs-27 branch:
>>
>> This is the only code that goes into stable branch first and then into
>> ‘master’. Probably we need tweak the process a bit.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand your concern
* Gerry Agbobada [2020-12-14 20:32]:
>
> > It may all look nice and shiny. But what you people don't understand
> > is that it is Microsoft and deep meaning of Microsoft one can know if
> > one researches the history as only so one can see the present and look
> > into future. Microsoft never
Russell Adams writes:
>> I do see your point. I think in order to warrant being presented as a
>> one-step-from-the-homepage target it would be good to tidy up the Worg
>> homepage.
>
> That's a valid criticism. Worg's main page could use an update to look
> more like the main site.
>
> Does
Russell Adams writes:
> REST API calls to a remote server as a core part of editing text in
> your editor isn't concerning? How remote? How would you know? If they
> use HTTPS could you even see what is sent?
I'm not concerned about REST API calls to a remote server, because:
1. There are no
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:29:06AM +0800, TEC wrote:
>
> > However Worg is a key component because it's community maintained
> > documentation. Not just anyone can upload to the main site, but Worg
> > is as "wiki" as we have. As an integral part of the community
> > supported documentation I
Hi Neil,
Nope! That’s the nice thing, those are all currently features of the LSP
protocol .
All the best,Timothy
From: ">Neil Jerram
Subject: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server
To: ">TEC
Cc: "org-mode-email"
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 01:57:27 +0800
Yes, thanks, I'm seeing the picture now.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:08:47AM +0800, TEC wrote:
>
> Jean Louis writes:
>
> > [LSP is a evil plot from microsoft]
>
> I can see that you're overly concerned about Microsoft being able to
> somehow exert control over this. It may assuage your concerns to see an
> example "technology stack"
I love org-agenda-clockreport-mode . However, I have several files that include
my work projects, and they all have my :WORK: tag on them. I want to get the
number of hours put into :WORK: for the period and understand that the way is
supposed to be to just filter my agenda view to be what I am
Russell Adams writes:
> LSP is also REST based, so your editor how has to talk to a web
> *server* over a network. This could be central, and not just on your
> machine. How would you know in an update that didn't happen?
This just ... isn't right.
It's not even REST based, it's using
Yes, thanks, I'm seeing the picture now. I guess that some of those things
would require extensions to the LSP standard/protocol, as well as just
implementation, wouldn't they?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:31, TEC wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> Ah, I see what you’re getting at now. I’ll try to give you an
Hi Neil,
Ah, I see what you’re getting at now. I’ll try to give you an idea of what I
think could apply.
Provide nice text manipulation actions, e.g. structural editing
Completion, with company
Org Export
Run Babel blocks
Org syntax highlighting (potentially)
Folding (maybe)
All the nice
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 05:22:55PM +, Neil Jerram wrote:
> If I try to analogise from how LSP works for golang, I believe the LSP
> server does things like
> - complete symbol beginning with "Xyz"
> - tell me where so-and-so function is defined (e.g. so that the client
> editor can jump to
Jean Louis writes:
> [LSP is a evil plot from microsoft]
Hi Jean,
I can see that you're overly concerned about Microsoft being able to
somehow exert control over this. It may assuage your concerns to see an
example "technology stack" that Org-LSP could fit into.
1. Org / Emacs, all GPL-3
2.
I'm afraid things still aren't clear for me. Is there a reason it's so
hard to give a concrete example?
If I try to analogise from how LSP works for golang, I believe the LSP
server does things like
- complete symbol beginning with "Xyz"
- tell me where so-and-so function is defined (e.g. so
It may all look nice and shiny. But what you people don't understand
is that it is Microsoft and deep meaning of Microsoft one can know if
one researches the history as only so one can see the present and look
into future. Microsoft never changed its strategies. Language server
protocol is just
Russell Adams writes:
> One could argue that "Releases", "Updates", and "Install" should be
> merged into a common download link. They all are the same thing. ;]
Hmmm. "Updates" seems like a bit of a special thing, but perhaps some
merging could happen sensibly. If that could be worked out,
Hi
I use tempo template and writing
On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:24, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Sigh, this is so obvious that it did not occur to me. Thanks
Sometimes the easiest solution is actually the last one
considered... happens to me constantly with org mode.
--
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-160-g7c8dce
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:37:09PM +0800, TEC wrote:
> Hi Russel, while I appreciate the significance of Worg, I currently
> don't feel that adding it to the header improves the site.
>
> There are two concerns I have on this.
>
> 1. I'm very wary of "header creep", see https://0x0.st/iFS7.png for
>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga writes:
> On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 14:08, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>> Documentation:
>> Non-nil means insert author name into the exported file.
>> This option can also be set with the OPTIONS keyword,
>> e.g. "author:nil".
>>
>> But it is not clear how to set this
>
Eric S Fraga writes:
> Conclusion is that there is no conclusion.
Sounds about right .
Thanks for the link Eric.
--
Timothy
On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 23:37, TEC wrote:
> 1. I'm very wary of "header creep", see
Interesting article, albeit a little old maybe, here:
https://www.humanfactors.com/newsletters/breadth_vs_depth_we_revisit_this_question.asp
Conclusion is that there is no conclusion.
--
: Eric S Fraga via
Hi Neil,
Good to hear that you did take a look at the readme .
You can think of the LSP as a specification for cross-editor/IDE extensions. The
intent of this is to make some of Org’s functionality accessible to the ~95% of
people who don’t use Emacs, by hooking into Emacs itself.
Does
Bastien writes:
> FWIW, I just slightly updated this page with this paragraph:
>
> If you are not a subscriber to the list, you can still send an email
> to emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, we will add you to the whitelist of people
> who can reach the list.
>> As a second request, can we get a link
Thanks Timothy. I did read the README, but I'm afraid I still can't quite
picture a specific use.
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:28, TEC wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> I’m going to quote you the readme from the linked github repo:
>
> Allow the unwashed masses to use Org, without using Emacs, using Emacs.
Hi Neil,
I’m going to quote you the readme from the linked github repo:
Allow the unwashed masses to use Org, without using Emacs, using Emacs.
Here’s the image from the readme
And here’s the first line from the first result of a google search for ”:
The Language Server Protocol
Hi Pankaj,
Pankaj Jangid writes:
> Bastien writes:
>
>> I've released Org 9.4.2, a bugfix release.
>>
>> This version was merged with the emacs-27 branch:
>
> This is the only code that goes into stable branch first and then into
> ‘master’. Probably we need tweak the process a bit.
Sorry, I
On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 14:08, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Documentation:
> Non-nil means insert author name into the exported file.
> This option can also be set with the OPTIONS keyword,
> e.g. "author:nil".
>
> But it is not clear how to set this
#+options: author:nil
The other thing that works is
pie...@caramail.com writes:
>> Would be great if you could check out the fix.
>
> Of coarse. Is the following command the right way to get the fix
> for testing?
>
> git clone https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git
This is a step in the right direction. With this line you get a fresh
clone
>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga writes:
> On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>> Consider please the following example
> [...]
>> It should be exported as
>>
>> \author{Uwe Brauer}
> It does for me.
Ok I had set
org-export-with-author to nil
now I set it to t and the export
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 at 1:41 PM
> From: "Marco Wahl"
> To: pie...@caramail.com
> Cc: "Org-Mode mailing list"
> Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed
>
> Hi Pietru and all,
>
> > When making a relatively long Org Capture Menu for Archaeological Field
> >
Jean Louis writes:
> * Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-13 03:39]:
>> Jean Louis writes:
>> I have hypothes.is installed inside docker container locally. No serious
>> protection is required in such case (at least, no more than one would
>> use to protect private files from dangerous software like
Jean Louis writes:
> Do you mean this:
>
> ** DONE Objective
>CLOSED: [2020-12-13 Sun 20:00]
> *** TODO [#B] Step to do 1
> *** TODO Step to do 2
>
> when org-enforce-todo-dependencies is true I can still say DONE for
> Objective above. I have mentioned it today already. Maybe it works on
>
Hi Pietru and all,
> When making a relatively long Org Capture Menu for Archaeological Field
> Management,
> the relevant capture window cannot be scrolled down. This becomes
> particularly
> problematic with small field laptops.
Thanks for reporting.
I just committed a fix along the lines
Hello list,
I regularly use org-todo-yesterday or org-agenda-todo-yesterday. However, with
a 1-day repeater task, or any ++ repeater, it sets the repetition using today
as the starting point, not yesterday.
It seems like the repeater time and date-setter is not respecting
Could you describe a use case? Apologies if I missed this in earlier
threads.
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 10:44, TEC wrote:
>
> A little progress update.
>
> https://github.com/tecosaur/org-lsp now exists.
>
> I have no idea what I'm doing, so if anyone has feedback on the current
> idea, that
On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 00:28:46 CET Samuel Wales wrote:
> when you link to a section using toc, you get a link like
>
> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2020/02/crimes-against-humanity_3.htm
> l#org080f0ab
>
> will these links break if somebody copies them and pastes them
>
On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Consider please the following example
[...]
> It should be exported as
>
> \author{Uwe Brauer}
It does for me.
> and the dynamic effect as
Use BEAMER_act instead of BEAMER_opt and specify the property as [<+->],
i.e. with square brackets.
Hi everybody,
On 2020-12-14, Bastien wrote:
> Hi Timothy,
>
> TEC writes:
>
>> Thanks for testing this :) I haven't forgotten about this.
>
> Let's wait for Jens feedback on this patch, since he took care of
> testing it so far.
I exported this:
#+begin_src org
,#+TITLE: A title with *bold*
Hi
Consider please the following example
#+TITLE: This title
#+AUTHOR: Uwe Brauer
* This is an example
:PROPERTIES:
:BEAMER_opt: <+->
:END:
Now
1. This
2. That
It should be exported as
\author{Uwe Brauer}
and the dynamic effect as
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:48:27AM -0500, Laszlo Elo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Amin was kind enough to poke me to submit and post about my package,
> ox-slimhtml.
> In a nutshell, it is an org-export backend - transcodes Org elements to
> HTML/text output.
Thank you (both :)
Cheers
- t
Matt Huszagh writes:
>> Can you provide a patch against etc/ORG-NEWS announce this?
>
> Attached. Let me know what you think.
Applied (2af68d6a4) with a minor modification in the headline.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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