Re: "text mode" org mode
Emanuel Berg via "General discussions about Org-mode." writes: > Thanks, I wonder tho if all this > (setq org-descriptive-links nil) > (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers nil) > (setq org-startup-folded'showeverything) > is implied, with `visual-mode'? Beware: =visible-mode= not "visual"! As far as I understand the internal of Org an Emacs, some of the visual features of Org are implemented with overlays, some are implemented with text properties. Disabling visible-mode just makes invisible text visible - but I do not fully understand whether this affects really all kinds of "invisibility" or just some. So I for myself prefer to say Org explicitly what I want instead of trying to take advantage of an indirect effect that may disturb Orgs internal state (or not; I just do not understand enough of Org and Emacs internals to really judge this). -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
Re: "text mode" org mode
Stefan Nobis wrote: >>> (setq org-link-descriptive nil) >> >> I don't have org-link-descriptive, it seems... > > No problem, the old name is =org-descriptive-links= > (this name has been deprecated in Org 9.3, but it > is still working in 9.4). Thanks, I wonder tho if all this (setq org-descriptive-links nil) (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers nil) (setq org-startup-folded'showeverything) is implied, with `visual-mode'? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
Emanuel Berg via "General discussions about Org-mode." writes: > Stefan Nobis wrote: >> (setq org-link-descriptive nil) > I don't have org-link-descriptive, it seems... No problem, the old name is =org-descriptive-links= (this name has been deprecated in Org 9.3, but it is still working in 9.4). -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
Re: "text mode" org mode
Stefan Nobis wrote: > (setq org-link-descriptive nil) I don't have org-link-descriptive, it seems... Org mode version 9.1.9 (release_9.1.9-65-g5e4542 @ /usr/share/emacs/26.1/lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) of 2019-09-23, modified by Debian -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 03:33:57PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via General discussions about Org-mode. wrote: > Russell Adams wrote: > > > I believe you can set your #+STARTUP on your file > > to "showall". > > Can I prevent hyperlinks from folding back and forth? > > I mean, with [[][]] ? Cf. the variable `org-link-descriptive' and its associated toggle function `org-toggle-link-display' (also reachable via the menu Org -> Links -> Descriptive ...) There is an unproven conjecture by some mathematician from the seventeenth century that Org contains everything. He wrote that he had a proof, but that the margin of the book he just had at hand was too narrow to write it down. Therefore: buy only books with large margins, kids. ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: "text mode" org mode
Gustavo Barros wrote: > That's probably not something most Org users would > do, but I think you'd get close to what you want > with: > > (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'visible-mode) Yeah, that seems to have done it? Great! Thanks a lot! ;;; -*- lexical-binding: t -*- ;;; ;;; this file: ;;; http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/emacs-init/org-my.el ;;; https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/org-my.el (require 'mode-line) (require 'org) (require 'super) (defun org-mode-set-keys () (let ((the-map org-mode-map)) (disable-super-global-keys the-map) (define-key the-map "\C-c\C-c" #'org-latex-export-to-pdf) )) ;; (setq org-mode-hook nil) (defun org-mode-hook-f () (auto-fill-mode -1) (enable-line-mode) (org-mode-set-keys) (visible-mode) ) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook #'org-mode-hook-f) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
Hi Emmanuel, Nearly everything in org-mode is configurable, so I think what you want is definitely doable. In addition to using `visible-mode` as suggested by Gustavo (this is maybe the easiest), you can also configure Org to show the emphasis markup characters: (setq org-hide-emphasis-markers nil) And to show the full markup of links: (setq org-link-descriptive nil) --Diego On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:35 PM Emanuel Berg via General discussions about Org-mode. wrote: > Russell Adams wrote: > > > I believe you can set your #+STARTUP on your file > > to "showall". > > Can I prevent hyperlinks from folding back and forth? > > I mean, with [[][]] ? > > Hm, maybe this will just go on and on if there is no > option to do it for real. The font-lock idea was > perhaps not so bad...? > > -- > underground experts united > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >
Re: "text mode" org mode
Emanuel Berg via "General discussions about Org-mode." writes: > Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back and > forth, also don't collapse items in and out, i.e. > virtually text mode I did not test it to every detail, but the following two settings may be a good starting point: #+begin_src elisp (setq org-startup-folded 'showeverything) (setq org-link-descriptive nil) #+end_src Also have a look at all the ~org-toggle-*~ commands like ~org-toggle-link-display~ and ~org-toggle-pretty-entities~ (the source of these commands should reveal the associated variable that can be set globally to the desired start value). -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
Re: "text mode" org mode
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 03:16:56PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via General discussions about Org-mode. wrote: > what I was looking for was a way to > typeset that had a less involved syntax > than LaTeX, to be able to create simple > PDFs, somewhere between plain text and > LaTeX. I asked on gmane.emacs.orgmode , > if they cannot solve it I'll just > `require' org, apply the org-mode's > font-lock to a text-mode buffer, and use > `org-latex-export-to-pdf' Markdown, Asciidoc and Pandoc? There are many modern solutions to exporting from text to pretty formats. Org just happens to have many more features. If Org's core features (ie: outlining) are in your way, perhaps one of those tools is more suitable? Emacs has modes to fontify those formats too. -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3
Re: "text mode" org mode
Hi Emanuel, On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 14:27, Emanuel Berg via "General discussions about Org-mode." wrote: > Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back and > forth, also don't collapse items in and out, i.e. > virtually text mode, only I still want the font lock > and to be able to use the mode to set keys, the > functions to compile into a PDF, and so forth. > > TIA That's probably not something most Org users would do, but I think you'd get close to what you want with: (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'visible-mode) HTH. Best, Gustavo.
Re: "text mode" org mode
Russell Adams wrote: > I believe you can set your #+STARTUP on your file > to "showall". Can I prevent hyperlinks from folding back and forth? I mean, with [[][]] ? Hm, maybe this will just go on and on if there is no option to do it for real. The font-lock idea was perhaps not so bad...? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
> Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back > and forth, also don't collapse items in and out, > i.e. virtually text mode, only I still want the > font lock and to be able to use the mode to set > keys, the functions to compile into a PDF, and > so forth. Here is part of an IRC conversation that perhaps clarifies what I mean... (the last sentence should not be seen as a threat BTW :)) incal: that "Outliner" feature (i.e. collpasing and replacing things) is more or less the core of org-mode. emacs being emacs I bet you can disable it. but it would be completely braindead. in the true sense of the word. you would lobotmoize emacs. well, one can easily think of outliner features for HTML, CSS, LaTeX, even source code for every programming language, and I never used it for anything else so I guess I have always been braindead :) I get what you mean, I don't use code folding like this anywhere else. it's just annoying with code. but org-mode is really about organzing information in a tree and collapsing parts of it and maybe moving things around. so if you don't need it, org-mode might be the wrong tool there. then again emacs can be adapt for everyone ofc what I was looking for was a way to typeset that had a less involved syntax than LaTeX, to be able to create simple PDFs, somewhere between plain text and LaTeX. I asked on gmane.emacs.orgmode , if they cannot solve it I'll just `require' org, apply the org-mode's font-lock to a text-mode buffer, and use `org-latex-export-to-pdf' -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
Russell Adams wrote: > I believe you can set your #+STARTUP on your file to "showall". That's a good, uhm, start! Thanks. > This will make the whole file open. I don't know if > you could disable tab folding a drawer > later though. Well, I can rebind that key... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
Re: "text mode" org mode
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 02:27:17PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via General discussions about Org-mode. wrote: > Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back and > forth, also don't collapse items in and out, i.e. > virtually text mode, only I still want the font lock > and to be able to use the mode to set keys, the > functions to compile into a PDF, and so forth. I believe you can set your #+STARTUP on your file to "showall". https://orgmode.org/manual/In_002dbuffer-Settings.html This will make the whole file open. I don't know if you could disable tab folding a drawer later though. -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3
"text mode" org mode
Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back and forth, also don't collapse items in and out, i.e. virtually text mode, only I still want the font lock and to be able to use the mode to set keys, the functions to compile into a PDF, and so forth. TIA -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal
