To all,
I would just like to, at this point, say that I am honored to have
read this discussion. I was very worried that a major blowout was
going to occur but you have shown me something that I appreciate about
OSS, it not only attempts to make the world better through Freedom but
it makes us be
>>> And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric,
>>> Nicolas, David and many others to help me wear them :)
>>
>> Remove me from the list. I am a charlatan and I don't want to even
>> pretend to be otherwise.
>>
> Please stay on the list!
I meant the list of people Bastie
Jambunathan K writes:
> Bastien has stepped in to big shoes and he has to measure up.
Those shoes are so big that there is room for more than one guy.
And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric,
Nicolas, David and many others to help me wear them :)
--
Bastien
Bastien writes:
> Jambunathan K writes:
>
>> Bastien has stepped in to big shoes and he has to measure up.
>
> Those shoes are so big that there is room for more than one guy.
>
> And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric,
> Nicolas, David and many others to help me w
Jambunathan K writes:
>> I hope that you'll join me in expressing gratitude for all that they
>> have contributed
>
> Ok. Done.
>
> Let bygones be bygones. What is important to me is that my work be
> available and used widely. All other concerns are secondary.
>
> I am on a sabbatical from wo
> I hope that you'll join me in expressing gratitude for all that they
> have contributed
Ok. Done.
Let bygones be bygones. What is important to me is that my work be
available and used widely. All other concerns are secondary.
I am on a sabbatical from work and I will be failing myself badl
Jambunathan K writes:
>> Hi Jambunathan,
>>
>>> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
>>> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
>>> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
>>> has nothing to with me not hav
> Please, all, take a step back and take a deep breath.
+1.
Now that various people have given vent to their feelings (and I hope
others have managed to swallow what they did not like), let us just
move on.
May I suggest: go watch a film, grab a beer, or simply sit down and
code. Do whatever i
Štěpán Němec wrote:
> [As most people here apparently consider Jambunathan's communication
> style acceptable, there is little point for me to continue replying in
> this thread, but I really couldn't resist in this case, sorry.]
>
That is what *you* read into it: as long as we understand that
[As most people here apparently consider Jambunathan's communication
style acceptable, there is little point for me to continue replying in
this thread, but I really couldn't resist in this case, sorry.]
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:30:54 +0200
Allen S. Rout wrote:
> Jambunathan is abrupt and speaks wi
On 08/24/2011 06:55 AM, Štěpán Němec wrote:
I find it quite surprising that people on this list, including Bastien,
are even willing to reply to the dirt you're spitting up.
Jambunathan is abrupt and speaks without much concern for the feelings
of the recipients of his messages. He has grea
Please, all, take a step back and take a deep breath.
There are always frustrations and there are different ways of dealing
with them. But we have to keep the larger goal in mind: whether I like
or hate Bastien's maintainership or Jambunathan K.s code or email style
is *completely irrelevant*. Thi
>> Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get
>> a picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling
>> seriously short of the role he is expected to play.
> If the overall Org community is sharing your view, and if someone if
> willing to step up as a
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Christian Moe wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical issues
> too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful user, and and
> a semi-active participant on this list, I'd like to voice three concerns.
>
Dear Christian,
many thanks for your contribution - my sentiments exactly!
Warm regards,
Stefan
On 24.08.2011, at 15:00, Christian Moe wrote:
> I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical issues
> too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful user, and
Hi all,
I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical
issues too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful
user, and and a semi-active participant on this list, I'd like to
voice three concerns.
1. Org-mode maintained by someone able and happy to do it.
We all need Zen slaps at various points in time.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZenSlap
Hope it will soften your mood.
Jambunathan K.
> So "frustrated" is a dirty word for you? How about "a conceited
> moron"?
Labels have no meanings. They are merely quick conveniences. (Does this
remark make me a MORE CONCEITED MORON)
> Bastien might be an incompetent maintainer or programmer (in any case,
> you seem to be the first to make s
Please stay away from the discussion.
> [1] Another example of the Jambunathan style:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/42544/focus=42563
You are mixing stlye with intent. style != intent. Read that again. The
intent of hte post is to prod him to post ONLY when he can afford to
post.
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:46:35 +0200
Jambunathan K. wrote:
>> Hi Jambunathan,
>>
>>> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
>>> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
>>> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
>>
> Let me know what you think about my suggestion above.
I will spawn a separate thread and let's strictly stick to that
particular thread for all merge related discussions.
> I am not a professional programmer and I'm always willing to learn,
> so please bare with me.
I would be the last person
> I understand people can feel frustrated about things I don't have time
> to do, and I'm (silently) thankful to them that they don't get more
> mad at me.
People wouldn't feel frustrated about things you don't have time to do
but they will definitely get frustrated with things that you don't do
Bastien writes:
> Hi Jambunathan,
>
> Jambunathan K writes:
>
>> Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a
>> picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling
>> seriously short of the role he is expected to play.
>
> If the overall Org community is
Hi Jambunathan,
Jambunathan K writes:
> Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a
> picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling
> seriously short of the role he is expected to play.
If the overall Org community is sharing your view, and if som
Hi Jambunathan,
I'm glad you decided to continue sharing your improvements to the
Org=>ODT exporter with the rest of the world.
I suggest the merge of this exporter into Org's core goes through
these steps:
1. Make sure there is no name clash on 8+3 systems. As per
last git version of Org, t
Jambunathan K writes:
>> It does seem that you are, for now, letting them be within org-mode
>> (your other mail). But it would still help if you express your
>> apprehensions and discuss them openly on this list.
1. I had a test.org file that I had created for testing the
exporter. Now this
> It does seem that you are, for now, letting them be within org-mode
> (your other mail). But it would still help if you express your
> apprehensions and discuss them openly on this list.
There is another mail that is on it's way. (Replies to Sebastien Vauban
always appear longer time to appear
> Hi Jambunathan,
>
>> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
>> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
>> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
>> has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.)
>
>
> Precisely my point. Bastien's idea of merge is to make it into a long
> drawn affair. I disagree.
It would help if you or Bastien could explain what is going on. As is
clear, everyone is hoping that the issues will be resolved and your
valuable contributions will remain a part of org-mode.
It
> I personally would really like to see important contribution such
> as yours become more and more integrated into the 'standard'
> Org ditribution - and not pushed further away.
Precisely my point. Bastien's idea of merge is to make it into a long
drawn affair. I disagree.
Jambunathan K.
Detlef
> Will you take care of org-odt working in orgmode for the foreseeable
> future or don`t you care about orgmode anymore?
I pushed a commit just a few minutes ago. So things are back to normal.
Jambunathan K.
> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
> has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.)
>
> I leave it up to the
Hi Jambunathan,
> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
> has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.)
As all, I'm
Hi!
First of all thanks for your efforts. I just started to rely on org-odt and am
a little bit puzzled by your decision.
Will you take care of org-odt working in orgmode for the foreseeable future or
don`t you care about orgmode anymore?
Just to be clear: It`s of course totally your decision
> I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
> to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
> considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
> has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.)
This comes as a surprise. Did
Bastien
I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt in
to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take
considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision
has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.)
I leave it up to the commun
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