Hello Bastien and Thomas,
Bastien wrote:
thanks for starting this list.
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
C-c ! Creating timestamps
C-c . Creating timestamps
C-c # Checkboxes
C-c ' Editing and debugging formulas, literal examples, include files,
editing source code, cooperation
C-c
Sebastien Vauban sva-news-D0wtAvR13HarG/idocf...@public.gmane.org
writes:
What about `C-c {' and such in the tables?
(FWIW, that's one of the few keybindings I would not like to change.)
I guess it's better to comply to the Emacs guidelines. That change will
allow us to wake up our neurons
Bastien,
Bastien wrote:
Sebastien Vauban writes:
What about `C-c {' and such in the tables?
(FWIW, that's one of the few keybindings I would not like to change.)
I guess it's better to comply to the Emacs guidelines. That change will
allow us to wake up our neurons and fight against
Hi Sébastien,
Sebastien Vauban sva-news-D0wtAvR13HarG/idocf...@public.gmane.org
writes:
Is it really important to have a couple less of not
standard key bindings, if we still have others which don't comply?
I think so, as it reduces the chances of conflicting keybindings from
other minor
Bastien,
Bastien wrote:
Sebastien Vauban writes:
Is it really important to have a couple less of not
standard key bindings, if we still have others which don't comply?
I think so, as it reduces the chances of conflicting keybindings from
other minor modes.
OK. I (can) agree. But not
On 28.01.2014 10:08, Bastien wrote:
I think most of these keybindings could migrate to a C-c C- version.
There is no need for migrating them IMO.
The recommendation is:
Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes. Using them
Florian Beck f...@miszellen.de writes:
On 28.01.2014 10:08, Bastien wrote:
I think most of these keybindings could migrate to a C-c C- version.
There is no need for migrating them IMO.
The recommendation is:
Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character
Hi Nick,
Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com writes:
I find myself more in agreement with Seb than with Bastien here. The
argument that reducing the number of bad bindings reduces the chance
of conflicts does not hold water IMO: we will always have to be looking
in the rear-view mirror for some
On 29.01.2014 14:16, Nick Dokos wrote:
But it's not just a matter of satisfying rules: it's a matter of making
it easy on users.
That is why I don't recommend satisfying them here.
Having a bad binding as well as a good binding for
something would mean that if I load a minor mode that takes
Florian Beck f...@miszellen.de writes:
But it is
polite to provide alternatives for bindings that might be shadowed.
Indeed.
The only problem is C-c ^ since C-c C-^ is already taken.
Btw, we could use C-c C-u (currently bound to `outline-up-heading')
instead of C-c C-^ (currently bound to
Hello,
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Florian Beck f...@miszellen.de writes:
But it is
polite to provide alternatives for bindings that might be shadowed.
Indeed.
The only problem is C-c ^ since C-c C-^ is already taken.
Btw, we could use C-c C-u (currently bound to `outline-up-heading')
Aloha Seb,
Sebastien Vauban sva-news-D0wtAvR13HarG/idocf...@public.gmane.org
writes:
What about `C-c {' and such in the tables?
The syntax table I see in my org file calls `{' an open delimiter
character, not punctuation.
Of course, I'm assuming that what the syntax table calls punctuation
Hi Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
Also, this is my first time trying to decode a syntax table, so caveat
emptor.
Yes -- when doing C-u C-x on { in fundamental-mode I read
Character code properties: customize what to show
name: LEFT CURLY BRACKET
old-name: OPENING CURLY
Bastien writes:
More precisely, I suggest these rebindings:
C-c # Checkboxes = C-c C-#
C-c , Priorities = C-c C-,
C-, can not be input using an ASCII terminal as it would produce a line
control character.
C-c ; Comment lines = C-c C-;
C-c @ Mark subtree = C-c C-@
C-@ may get
Aloha Bastien,
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Hi Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
Also, this is my first time trying to decode a syntax table, so caveat
emptor.
Yes -- when doing C-u C-x on { in fundamental-mode I read
Character code properties: customize what to show
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Hi Nick,
Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com writes:
I find myself more in agreement with Seb than with Bastien here. The
argument that reducing the number of bad bindings reduces the chance
of conflicts does not hold water IMO: we will always have to be looking
in
Yep, I am also using org-mode with icicles. Made several mods to help with
that. I use icicles for searching headers or text content all the time.
Interesting is the possibility to open a section (subtree) in an
independent buffer after finding it, with one command. I enclose the code
here, plus
Agree.
To do my own rebindings i use this kind of code:
(eval-after-load 'org
'(define-key org-mode-map (kbd C-c C-=) 'org-icicle-imenu))
But when re-opening a buffer with desktop after rebooting emacs, the
new bindings are not added
IZ
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Andreas Leha
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
Then punctuation has two senses, one generic and another specific. To
my mind, the emacs guideline is ambiguous unless there is some
convention about which sense is meant in this case. I guess it would be
possible to look at the code to figure this
Hi Thomas,
thanks for starting this list.
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
C-c ! Creating timestamps
C-c . Creating timestamps
C-c # Checkboxes
C-c ' Editing and debugging formulas, literal examples, include files,
editing source code, cooperation
C-c , Priorities
C-c ; Comment
Hi Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
I just checked the Org mode manual and found that it has several entries
that consist of `C-c' followed by a punctuation character.
Can we list them in this thread to discuss how bad the situation is
for each of these keybindings?
In my
Aloha Bastien,
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Hi Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
I just checked the Org mode manual and found that it has several entries
that consist of `C-c' followed by a punctuation character.
Can we list them in this thread to discuss how bad the
Hello Drew,
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
1d. By default only. It is trivial to customize user option
`icicle-top-level-keybindings', to bind `icicle-occur' to a
different key or to give it no key binding at all.
(And no, you do not need to fiddle with Lisp to do that - not
I have an additional question: where does one ask for help about icicle?
1. `M-x icicle-send-bug-report' or menu Icicles Send Icicles Bug Report
or `M-x customize-group Icicles' click Send Bug Report
2. Emacs Wiki:
Bugs:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/IciclesIssues
Suggestions:
* Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes. Using them in a major
mode is not absolutely prohibited, but if you do that, the major
mode binding may be shadowed from time to time by minor modes.
IOW, no major mode
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
No major mode should do so.
One problem is that Org uses C-c . too ... and some more.
Perhaps it's better to report this as an Emacs bug so that we can
discuss the issue with Emacs maintainers and see what's really at
stake here. For me, the
No major mode should do so.
One problem is that Org uses C-c . too ... and some more.
Perhaps it's better to report this as an Emacs bug so that we can
discuss the issue with Emacs maintainers and see what's really at
stake here.
I'm not familiar with Org mode. As I said, I don't even
Hi Drew,
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
Since you are familiar with whatever bindings Org sets, and you
have read the key-binding conventions section of the manual,
please file a bug if you think it is appropriate. You are well
placed to give the details.
[...]
Consideration
Perhaps it's better to report this as an Emacs bug so that
we can discuss the issue with Emacs maintainers and see
what's really at stake here.
Since you are familiar with whatever bindings Org sets, and
you have read the key-binding conventions section of the
manual, please file
* Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes. Using them in a major
mode is not absolutely prohibited, but if you do that, the major
mode binding may be shadowed from time to time by minor modes.
That's pretty clear
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
Dunno what that means. It's not a criminal offense, no.
Let me quote the manual again:
* Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes. Using them in a major
mode is not absolutely
Aloha all,
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
Dunno what that means. It's not a criminal offense, no.
Let me quote the manual again:
* Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes.
Someone pointed me to this thread. I am not subscribed to this
list, so cc me if you want me to see a reply you write.
Wrt some of what I read in the thread:
1. It is not true, (or else it is meaningless, depending on what
you mean by that phrase) that C-c ' is officially an Emacs
keybinding.
Drew Adams drew.ad...@oracle.com writes:
* Sequences consisting of `C-c' followed by any other punctuation
character are allocated for minor modes. Using them in a major
mode is not absolutely prohibited, but if you do that, the major
mode binding may be shadowed from time to time
Memnon Anon memnon+use...@freeshell.org writes:
Okay. As I said, I found this the only one conflicting with org (or
other packages). Just remember to require icicles at the very end of
your config, and everything should work.
I found that C-` (which I use to jump to errors when compiling in
Hi John,
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
I am trying it out, and icicles seems to have clobbered a few key
bindings like C-c ' to open source blocks.
It doesn't seem to matter which order I load these packages. Does
anyone do this without clobbering org bindings? Thanks,
I
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
I am trying it out, and icicles seems to have clobbered a few key
bindings like C-c ' to open source blocks.
I used to have the same problem with C-c ' at one point in time,
but not anymore. This was the only binding which got in the way.
Using
I got icicles via ELPA. The version from describe-package is Version:
20140118.1856. although in icicles.el it says ;; Version: 2013.07.23.
Thanks for the tip about the binding variable. I am content with this in my
init file:
(require 'icicles)
;; reclaim C-c ' for org-mode
(setq
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
I got icicles via ELPA. The version from describe-package is
Version: 20140118.1856. although in icicles.el it says ;; Version:
2013.07.23.
That is the current version.
Icicles isn't only icicle.el, Drew has actually a whole bunch of
elisp addon
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
Is anyone using org-mode and icicles?
How interesting. I also started trying icicle out today.
I am trying it out, and icicles seems to have clobbered a few key
bindings like C-c ' to open source blocks.
I'm having the same problem. I think one
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