transient-mark-mode is currently disabled by default, and has a menu
item to easily enable it. delete-selection-mode is disabled too, but
has no menu item to enable it. What about adding it to the Option
menu? delete-selection-mode is no less useful than transient-mark-mode,
transient-mark-mode is currently disabled by default, and has a menu
item to easily enable it. delete-selection-mode is disabled too, but
has no menu item to enable it. What about adding it to the Option
menu? delete-selection-mode is no less useful than transient-mark-mode,
> Why not just turn on delete-selection-mode and transient-mark-mode, by
> default?
transient-mark-mode is currently disabled by default, and has a menu
item to easily enable it. delete-selection-mode is disabled too, but
has no menu item to enable it. What about adding it to the Option
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> I find Transient-Mark mode completely unusable as it stands.
>>
>> To each his own. I find Emacs very hard to use without the visual feedback
>> of transient-mark-mode.
>
> Me too.
Maybe we could move thi
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I find Transient-Mark mode completely unusable as it stands.
>
> To each his own. I find Emacs very hard to use without the visual feedback
> of transient-mark-mode.
Me too.
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> I have tried using Transient-Mark mode occasionally, most recently in
> the past week. It screws me because I use commands that operate on a
> region, in situations where normally they would work, but the mark is
> not active.
Sounds like you need to set mark-even-if-inactiv
> Would you please take this discussion off emacs-devel?
There is no discussion, AFAICT. My message was the only one; no one
replied.
I'm talking about the larger discussion. Your message was a reply
to another one.
That said, there's no other place to discuss these issues, so
> I have tried using Transient-Mark mode occasionally, most recently in
> the past week. It screws me because I use commands that operate on a
> region, in situations where normally they would work, but the mark is
> not active.
Sounds like you need to set mark-even-if-ina
> I have tried using Transient-Mark mode occasionally, most recently in
> the past week. It screws me because I use commands that operate on a
> region, in situations where normally they would work, but the mark is
> not active.
Sounds like you need to set mark-even-if-inactive to t.
That's also
I have tried using Transient-Mark mode occasionally, most recently in
the past week. It screws me because I use commands that operate on a
region, in situations where normally they would work, but the mark is
not active.
Some time after the release, if someone wants to try
I have tried using Transient-Mark mode occasionally, most recently in
the past week. It screws me because I use commands that operate on a
region, in situations where normally they would work, but the mark is
not active.
Some time after the release, if someone wants to try to work on
improving th
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:19:58 -0500
>
> Would you please take this discussion off emacs-devel?
There is no discussion, AFAICT. My message was the only one; no one
replied.
That said, there's
Would you please take this discussion off emacs-devel?
It is a distraction from what we need to do.
(If you would both let it drop, and work on fixing bugs,
that would be even better--but it's not for me to give you
orders about that.)
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> It's not worth continuing this thread now, but I wonder if it
> wouldn't be
> worthwhile looking into the use patterns sometime later. It's
> possible that
> Richard uses t-m mode differently from Stefan and I. If we
> looked into this
> a little more (later), we might
> It's not worth continuing this thread now, but I wonder if it wouldn't be
> worthwhile looking into the use patterns sometime later. It's possible that
> Richard uses t-m mode differently from Stefan and I. If we looked into this
> a little more (later), we might be able to either improve it (for
> I find Transient-Mark mode completely unusable as it stands.
To each his own. I find Emacs very hard to use without the
visual feedback of transient-mark-mode.
It's not worth continuing this thread now, but I wonder if it wouldn't be
worthwhile looking into the use patterns sometim
> I find Transient-Mark mode completely unusable as it stands.
To each his own. I find Emacs very hard to use without the visual feedback
of transient-mark-mode.
Stefan
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I find Transient-Mark mode completely unusable as it stands.
I am not going to make it the default.
I decided that question years ago. Please do not ask me to spend time
reconsidering it. It would be time taken away from other work.
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lead to a change, and it is distracting people's attention
from the bugs we need to fix to have a release.
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> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:55:08 -0600 (CST)
> From: Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>Care to share the details (what problems newbies are supposed to
>have, but don't)?
>
> I do not want to seem to reopen r
> Why not just turn on delete-selection-mode and transient-mark-mode, by
> default?
> Now is the wrong time to suggest incompatible feature changes.
> Would you please stop making such suggestions? Please save
> them for later.
> (These two changes are too radically incompatible,
> so ev
Plenty of stuff. For instance, something that has been discussed
recently, ^L being pagebreaks: they just figure that out very quickly
and they make plenty of use of it.
There is the silly myth that regexps are useless to newbies. To
newbies, regexps are just spiced up string
Why not just turn on delete-selection-mode and transient-mark-mode, by
default?
Now is the wrong time to suggest incompatible feature changes.
Would you please stop making such suggestions? Please save
them for later.
(These two changes are too radically incompatible,
so even at a later
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Care to share the details (what problems newbies are supposed to
have, but don't)?
I do not want to seem to reopen recent discussions, but since you
explicitly ask for it:
Plenty of stuff. For instance, something that has been discussed
recently, ^L being pagebreaks:
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:42:54 -0600 (CST)
> From: Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
>
> I have taught Math courses that use mathematical software to Math Ed
> students, some of them middle aged and with very limited computer
> knowledge. I recommend that they u
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:42:54 -0600 (CST)
> From: Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
>
> I have taught Math courses that use mathematical software to Math Ed
> students, some of them middle aged and with very limited computer
> knowledge. I recommend that they u
Why not just turn on delete-selection-mode and
transient-mark-mode, by default?
Certainly not delete-selection-mode. Its behavior is extremely
surprising, disturbing and difficult to understand for _real_ newbies
(newbies to editors, as opposed to experienced MS Windows
> "Drew" == Drew Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> With the most recent Emacs CVS, NOMIYA Masaru reported he cannot
>> delete the region that is made by dragging the mouse, using DEL
>> key. I also confirmed Emacs 21.4 works but 22.0.50 doesn't.
>> Not much many people might not know such
Drew Adams wrote:
Why not just turn on delete-selection-mode and transient-mark-mode, by
default?
Certainly not delete-selection-mode. Its behavior is extremely
surprising, disturbing and difficult to understand for _real_ newbies
(newbies to editors, as opposed to experienced MS Windows u
> With the most recent Emacs CVS, NOMIYA Masaru reported he cannot
> delete the region that is made by dragging the mouse, using DEL
> key. I also confirmed Emacs 21.4 works but 22.0.50 doesn't.
> Not much many people might not know such a function, though (and
> I was not an e
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does this mean that you suggest DEL to do different things if I have a
> mouse-dragged highlighted region versus if I have a highlighted region
> made using something like C-a C-SPC C-SPC C-e DEL (temporarily
> activate transient
Does this mean that you suggest DEL to do different things if I have a
mouse-dragged highlighted region versus if I have a highlighted region
made using something like C-a C-SPC C-SPC C-e DEL (temporarily
activate transient mark mode, go to end of line and DEL)? I don't
think th
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Experienced users who want something like that can use
> delete-selection-mode. However, I'm concerned about beginners who
> expect this behavior based on other editors.
>
> Typing DEL after dragging a region is something that an experienced
> E
> With the most recent Emacs CVS, NOMIYA Masaru reported he cannot
> delete the region that is made by dragging the mouse, using DEL
> key. I also confirmed Emacs 21.4 works but 22.0.50 doesn't.
> Not much many people might not know such a function, though (and
> I was not an e
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject: Re: DEL key doesn't kill mouse-dragged region
Message-ID : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date & Time: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:39:59 -0400
[Stefan] == Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has written:
Stefan> > With the most recent Emacs CVS
> With the most recent Emacs CVS, NOMIYA Masaru reported he cannot
> delete the region that is made by dragging the mouse, using DEL
> key. I also confirmed Emacs 21.4 works but 22.0.50 doesn't.
> Not much many people might not know such a function, though (and
> I was not an exception). Isn't it
Hi,
With the most recent Emacs CVS, NOMIYA Masaru reported he cannot
delete the region that is made by dragging the mouse, using DEL
key. I also confirmed Emacs 21.4 works but 22.0.50 doesn't.
Not much many people might not know such a function, though (and
I was not an exception). Isn't it a si
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