Re: Leakage Current Measurements

2000-10-04 Thread Randolf Keller/Jpn/TUV
We have had the same experience with the variety of our analogue and digital meters. One solution can be found within the IEC 60990:99 (which is referred to for touch-current measurements e.g. by the newest versions of the IEC 60950 and IEC 60065) and which defines measurement methods for DC

Fwd:FW: IEEE election

2000-10-04 Thread Jim Bacher
Forwarding from our local section, but it applies to all IEEE members. Jim Forward Header_ Subject:FW: IEEE election Author: Robert T. Haller r.t.hal...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 10/4/00 1:14 PM This message is sent

Re: ESD Opportunities

2000-10-04 Thread Barry Ma
Please allow me to ask a relevant question only for curiosity. We have no idea of what charge (positive or negative) would go to the DUT in ordinary ESD. That's why we have to test two polarities in ESD immunity test. Lightning is a kind of ESD happened between a charged cloud and objects on

RE: Standards hierarchy

2000-10-04 Thread eric . lifsey
Gert et al, [Critical comments re CEN removed in an attempt to maintain a professional attitude.] Can't we just recind all of these silly redundant product family standards if they are truely just informative supplements to the Generics? I'm getting tired of retesting and then rewriting

RE: 288-433MHz TX/RX outside USA

2000-10-04 Thread Wismer, Sam
Ted, Looks like you got some homework to do. The only thing I can offer is a website link for the radio authorities in Singapore. Used to be known as TAS, but now is the IDA. Excellent website and they are very responsive to inquiries. When you have completed your research, perhaps you could

EN61000-3-2 absolute limits for 16A line

2000-10-04 Thread Robert Legg
Group, The EN61000-3-2 standard has always listed absolute current values for harmonics produced in a 230-240VAC 16A line. Tests of wide-range input units are performed in the 230-240VAC condition. Obviously, equipment drawing much less than 16A @ 240VAC, could draw the same harmonic currents

RE: EN61000-3-2 (prA14) Definition of Class D Equipment

2000-10-04 Thread Albert, Suzette M
My interpretation of prA14 that POS systems are considered professional equipment. To that effect, POS systems should be classified as Class A, given that clause 5 in prA14 under the Class A section states the following Equipment not specified in one of the three other classes shall be considered

Re: Leakage Current Measurements

2000-10-04 Thread David Gelfand
If anyone is curious, I have a graph of the frequency response of Annex D using an excel spreadsheet. Contact me off-line. Regards, David. David Gelfand Regulatory Approvals Memotec Communications Inc. Montreal Canada --- This message is from the IEEE

EN61000-3-2 (prA14) Definition of Class D Equipment

2000-10-04 Thread Carr, Ted
Hello all, I'm trying to determine if my company's product, a point of sale terminal falls under the Class D category in the soon to be in place standard EN61000-3-2 (prA14). What is the definition of a personal computer used in the EN61000-3-2:1995/prA14:2000 document? Is

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-04 Thread WOODS
No one is forcing anyone to use Class D. Standards are voluntary. As I reported a few days ago, we have a product that will not pass Class D but will pass Class A. Our Notified Body told us that they will accept prA14, so we are submitting a TCF for that standard and using Class A.. Richard

288-433MHz TX/RX outside USA

2000-10-04 Thread Ted Chaffee
Group, I am beginning an investigation into requirements of low-power transmitters/receivers outside the USA. I am entrusting someone in this group to help shorten the search time by providing 1)-contact persons, or 2)-information sources, or 3)-direct information. The product: low-power

Re: Leakage Current Measurements

2000-10-04 Thread KBJ
Dear Ken In EN 60950 and UL1950 appendix D you can find a description on how to measure leakage current and the specifications for the meter. This is taken from another standard which I don't know the number of. If you don't use a meter with the right data you will never know what is the right

Re: Leakage Current Measurements

2000-10-04 Thread Robert Macy
Actually, most meters average the waveform, then apply a rote formula converting that average to an rms reading which is more likely to err on the side of too low a reading. For a square wave it will read too high by 6% (actually worked this out, but forgot the actual number, but you have the

Re: IEC/EN Standard for Independent Lamp Control Gear

2000-10-04 Thread volker . gasse
Hello Robert, you could check into: IEC 60926:1995 + A1:1999 Auxiliaries for lamps ? Starting devices (other than glow starters) ? General and safety requirements. There is currently a proposal under development to refer to this standard in IEC 60950 to address safety requirements for high

RE: Standards hierarchy

2000-10-04 Thread CE-test - Gert Gremmen Ing. - CE-mark more ...
I remember to have contributed to this discussion before, and I have asked this question at the time to Robert DeVre, who is actually the EMC-consultant of the European Committee. His opinion -close to European law- (abbreviated) : == Any product or product family standard that tries to exclude

Re: Leakage Current Measurements

2000-10-04 Thread Ralph Cameron
Ken: Analog meters are inherently good low pass filters and will mask any high frequency components. The same is truefor most DMMs unless they have been specified for higher frequencies. Typically, don't expect much accuracy beyond 100Khz for soem of the best DMMs. You can always use a scope

Re: ESD Opportunities

2000-10-04 Thread AppEngr899
ESD is a term used for an electrical discharge that occurs from one charged surface to another un-charged surface usually generated by frictional or triboelectric effects. I have never heard of ESD issues within cell phones or LCD displays. It may be possible that a person with a large

Re: ESD Opportunities

2000-10-04 Thread Ralph Cameron
Try an internet search on electrostatic dischareg and you will finf there are hundreds of papers on the subject. Merely rubbing your hand across wool or cloth or a waxed desk and garbbing an electronic device will cause ESD . Hold a pocket calculator in your hand while you rub your hand against

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-04 Thread O'Shaughnessy, Paul
Hello List, Is this a reasonable expectation - that the EC and member countries will actually move quickly enough to make A14 effective on January 1, 2001? Is everyone going to be forced to meet EN 61000-3-2 without A14? Paul O'Shaughnessy Affymetrix, Inc. -Original Message- From:

UL Class 2 Flammability Ratings Correlation

2000-10-04 Thread Collins, Jeffrey
Group, Is anyone knowledgeable on how a UL Class 2 Flammability rating correlates with a UL 94-V? or HB rating? I have seen the Class 2 flammability ratings on air filters. I have a Telecom product that is being designed not only for UL-1950 certification but will meet the Bellcore GR-63

RE: Downloadable CE marks

2000-10-04 Thread Nick Williams
I wasn't aware of this problem, but having checked out our site, I can only plead guilty, m'lud. I've not had time to update the image files yet, but I have added a new file which gives the proper proportions including the square grid shown in the Directives themselves. Take a trip to: