RE: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread Burns, Chuck
Sandy: The attached link gives guidelines on how to inform users of the DOC. It even offers translations, in the 11 official languages of the EU, of a short form declaration that is to be given in the user manual. The complete DOC is to be made available, in print, on CD ROM, or on the web.

RE: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread Mazzola, Santo
Rich, Just a question. If you are not going to put the D of C in the users manual to satisfy the RTTE directive requirement of having a D of C with the product, is there another more elegant place to put it. Any other suggestions would be interesting to note. How about the idea of putting an

AC outlet max current

2003-04-30 Thread Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)
Group It was my understanding that one could only draw 80% of the max current from an AC wall outlet. Is this true? Where does the NEC specify this? Thanks to all, Kenneth Gonzalez Intergraph Solutions Group This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

Re: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Joe Finlayson jfinlay...@telica.com wrote (in c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com) about 'D of C again' on Tue, 29 Apr 2003:     I have just finished reading the EMCD and LVD regarding this very concern, so my answer is limited.  My

RE: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
Doug, I respectfully disagree with your general statement that A copy of the D of C that states the directives complied with must be placed in the user manual. There may be a particular directive that may have this requirement, but I don't beleive that it is the LV, EMC nor the RTTE Directives.

RE: Check list for PCB Layout

2003-04-30 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Sorry guys, I think I might have miss out the mailing list. I am sending this out again because it seem to me that the email address emc-p...@ieee.org is not an 'alias' (the same as) of emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org. Many appologies. Tim Foo 04/28/03 01:50 PM To: tkrze...@genius.org.br, ieee

RE: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
DoCs that are signed by me in the USA do incude our local EU contact information; however, I understand that inclusion of the contact information is not a legal requirement. If it is a legal requirement, I would like for someone to point to the Directive or to a document published by the

Re: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com wrote (in ofe7c7ff60.928839a6-on07256d17.0076d7d4-07256d17.00774...@hypercom.com ) about 'FCC Limits' on Tue, 29 Apr 2003: Why not at 240V? That way the ACA's requirement in Australia is satisfied and the test voltage is still within

RE: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
True enough. However, the question was about uses of the spectrum below 450 kHz in the US. I think that international harmonization was probably the key reason for the change. One step at a time... Ghery From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29,

Re: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread Joe P Martin
Greetings, The statement below is not correct for all Directives. The EMC Directive Guidelines states: Where neither the manufacturer nor his authorised representative is established within the EEA, the obligation to keep the technical documentation available is the responsibility of the

RE: EU Language requirements for Manuals

2003-04-30 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
Where would one find a translator for Elbonian? Dave From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:39 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EU Language requirements for Manuals Hello everyone, I was hoping someone out there could help me determine

RE: EU Language requirements for Manuals

2003-04-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
www.dilbert.com http://www.dilbert.com/ ? From: drcuthb...@micron.com [mailto:drcuthb...@micron.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:38 PM To: john_t...@bose.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EU Language requirements for Manuals Where would one find a translator for

RE: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
The new limits are the same as the limits in CISPR 22. Another source for the FCC Rules (updated monthly on CD-ROM) is Pike Fischer at www.pf.com http://www.pf.com/ . Not cheap, but I've always got the latest and greatest in my laptop. Plus, it's in a Windows application, so I can cut and

Re: Surface Temperature Limits

2003-04-30 Thread m...@huber-online.com
Greetings to all, Hello Brian, In EN61010-1 section 10 ... there are surface temperature limits specification for Normal Condition based on an Ambient Temperature of 40ºC. Not exactly right. Referring to 10.4 you can see that maximum surface temperatures can be calculated by measuring

RE: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
You can visit : http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: mardi 29 avril 2003 15:15 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Limits Hi all,

Re: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com wrote (in d9223eb959a5d511a98f00508b68c20c12516...@orsmsx108.jf.intel.com) about 'FCC Limits' on Tue, 29 Apr 2003: The test methods are the same.  Now, the limits are the same.  You run the test twice - 120 V / 60 Hz and 220 V

CE and driving LEDs from mains

2003-04-30 Thread Richard Jones
I had a quick question about possible CE (and other problems) with an odd circuit for driving 1W and 5W white LEDs (350mA and 700mA) from 240VAC mains. What are you views on the following. Have 350mA LED(s) in series with 1000mF cap from +ve to -ve within full bridge rectifier. So far so good.

RE: Thermocouple glue

2003-04-30 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Brian, My use of the thermal grease, as I had indicated, was in the past. I have not used it for a long time. But, I'm curious. What were the reasons that these people/entities gave to you for not using the thermal grease? Why wasn't it acceptable for them? Surely, they should have given

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2003-04-30 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
I read: Have 350mA LED(s) in series with 1000mF cap from +ve to -ve within full bridge rectifier. So far so good. -ve of bridge to mains N. +ve of bridge goes through a 4.7mF motor start rated capacitor to main L. Is this legal? Will it run foul of CE regs. How do I

Re: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread douglas_beckw...@mitel.com
And the answer is The D of C must be signed by the responsible person designated by the manufacturer. The signatory does not have to be located in the EU. The manufacturer must designate a representative in the EU who will hold the certificate and the technical file.

RE: Thermocouple glue

2003-04-30 Thread Brian O'Connell
Good People Several (on off line) have asked why. Mostly because some agency engineers do not believe that thermal grease accurately transfers thernal information. I did some tests, and discovered that there could (occasionaly) be an atypical attachment that did not result in accurate data. And

RE: D of C again

2003-04-30 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
On page 35 of the Commission's Guide to the implementation of the directives based on the New Approach and the Global Approach, they say the DoC must must have the signature and title or an equivalent marking of authorized person. And in a footnote they say, It is not necessary for the signatory

RE: Performance Criterion

2003-04-30 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
I maintain that all equipment and apparatus can be classified into one of a few broad categories and that the terms functionality and performance are distinquishable and their definition is self-evident. I suggest each Performance Criterion might be re-written as follows: Criterion A - No loss

Re: Surface Temperature Limits

2003-04-30 Thread douglas_beckw...@mitel.com
Ladies and Gentlemen Richard Huges commented that 60950-1 had changed to absolute temperatures rather than a delta above ambient. I checked in CSA60950-1 and this is indeed the case. Personally I preferred the delta measurement, as it was easier to measure in the lab. The implications on

RE: FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread Harpreet S. Sidhu
Hello Derek, Please refer to FCC report and order no. FCC 02-157 released May 30, 2002. With best regards, Harpreet Sidhu EMC Radio Engineer +1 408 586 6210 Direct Line +1 408 586 6299 Fax harpreet.si...@cetecomusa.com www.cetecom.com From: lfresea...@aol.com

FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, at the IEEE symposium last year I sat through a presentation that showed changes to the Part 15 limits. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers? I've searched around the FCC site, but not been very successful. Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test

Re: CE and driving LEDs from mains

2003-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Richard Jones gw0...@ntlworld.com wrote (in 001501c30e17$9540bb70$f8edfea9@comp3) about 'CE and driving LEDs from mains' on Tue, 29 Apr 2003: Have 350mA LED(s) in series with 1000mF cap from +ve to -ve within full bridge rectifier.  So far so good.  -ve of

RE: Performance Criterion

2003-04-30 Thread Gordon,Ian
Ralph et al A lawyer could have a field day with this sort of thing (at considerable expense!). The standards we all use from day to day are merely methods of demonstrating compliance with the law of the land i.e. (in Britain) the statutory instruments, passed by Parliament, which implement the

PCB checklist

2003-04-30 Thread drcuthbert
Here is a PCB checklist at http://www.x linx.com/xlnx/xil_prodcat_product.jsp?title=si_pcbcheck Here is another link at xilinx: http:// ww.xilinx.com/xlnx/xil_prodcat_landingpage.jsp?title=Signal+Integrity Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product

re: Surface Temperature Limits

2003-04-30 Thread richhug...@aol.com
Doug, Thanks for confirming that CSA 60950-1 has followed IEC 60950-1 and EN 60950-1 in specifying absolute temperatures rather than a delta above ambient. Are you REQUIRED to conduct heating tests at the highest rated ambient temperature - in your example 30 degC? Well, that depends on

RE: EU Language requirements for Manuals

2003-04-30 Thread ari.honk...@nokia.com
John, unless proved otherwise, I would expect the consumer legislation requiring translations in all official languages in the countries you are selling your product. Complete manual, not just safety instructions. Safety standard has nothing to do with this. Ari From: ext Tyra, John

Re: EU Language requirements for Manuals

2003-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that drcuthb...@micron.com wrote (in CFEFA50C9BCAD2 1197470001fa7eba6b14121...@ntexchange05.micron.com) about 'EU Language requirements for Manuals' on Tue, 29 Apr 2003: Where would one find a translator for Elbonian? Ask on sci.lang.translation.marketplace -- Regards, John