RE: Creepage/Clearance and Altitude

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All, Paschen's Law is the result of two functions in the breakdown of gases. Both are related to the mean-free-path of ionized particles. As particles are ionized, they are then polarized and accelerate from one high voltage electrode to another. This can result the generation of secondary

RE: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Yes, it is. And jet engines don’t spool up as quickly as piston engines. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of ralph.mcdiar...@ca.schneider-electric.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:49 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Toyota

Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I remember that video and it seemed to me, a layman, that the aircraft was in a flared attitude as it would be just before touchdown. It looked to me as if it intentionally landed well past the end of the runway, into the trees. To climb, isn't a large increase in thrust necessary?

RE: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This has been well discussed in aviation circles. The fly by wire systems in the Airbus will not allow the pilots direct control. The pilot tells the computer what he wants to do and the flight rules programmed into the computer limit the aircraft to a certain performance envelope. In the Paris

Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message d500012385dca64883637ab4ccf491e30134c...@ms-cda-02.advanced-input.com, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com writes They got to the end of the pass saw the trees and tried to pull up, but the software looked at the flight envelope and said no because the low airspeed meant

RoHS list of Accredited Labs

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I am looking for a list of accredited labs worldwide for RoHS testing. I have tried to find such a list from the IEC but was not lucky. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you. Scott Griggs - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

RE: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Three rules of aviation relating to the Airbus – 1. Look what it's doing now! 2. It just did it again! 3. How do we make it stop doing that? Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:57 PM To:

RE: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ralph, When you get into designing things for the FAA, depending on the criticality of the system, it becomes almost impossible to use any CPU or von Nuemann architecture. Because of the V V requirements (verification and validation) requirements for those systems CPU’s are usually

Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
It seems to me that the 'wrong position' is difficult to define and equally difficult to protect against. Would a watch-dog circuit always detect firmware departing from normal control flow into an unintended state?If the unintended state was caused by the instruction pointer fetching from

Re: [PSES] Toyota (keynote speaker)

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Dan, If a keynote speaker is needed, I have a keynote talk that is both technically interesting and also will keep them laughing on the floor. The funny part is titled Funny Airport Stories and involves some interesting airport stores, a few of them acted out in a skit. This can be mixed

RE: [PSES] Toyota

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Anybody know Dr. Griffin at SIU or have contacts at SIU? He might make a timely keynote speaker for the Boston Symposium or perhaps one of his students could do a paper at the Symposium. (See previous email with subject [PSES] FW: [LF] Expert recreates Toyota sudden acceleration) Dan From:

Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Brian, Several years ago, in a workshop at one of the first Product Safety Engineering Society (PSES) symposiums, the question came up: How can you certify software for safety-critical applications? One of the people in the audience answered Treat the software as a switch with two positions, ON

Translation sought for CENELEC-Speak

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Reviewing the following link, I see that for EN 60204-33 the Stage code deadline is 1 March 10. It also shows the Target date for vote as 30 June 10. http://tinyurl.com/FprEN60204-33-2009 1. What do these two dates imply? 2. When will the Dor, Dav...Dow dates be set? 3. Historically, what

RE: [PSES] Toyota

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Please ignore my earlier (snide) comments about s/w vs h/w reliability. This is an important topic that will probably become a recurring theme. Someone needs to give a seminar at a PSES symposium for testing microprocessor-controlled systems. And I am not talking about another standards conformity

RE: Screened room move.

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ian Charles, When we put in our chamber (Boston area, MA), we used dielectric breaks to all connections and mounting, isolated the power to the chamber and test equipment and then used a dedicated ground from ground rods. We were required to drive 3 rods, 6 ft down, we ended up driving a 4th

EU power transmission ?

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
A colleague of mine is looking for guidance on this EU specific question(s): Is CE Mark required for equipment installed in power transmission facilities, power plants, hydroelectric plants, substations and transmission towers? If the answer is yes, is self-declaration acceptable, or is

RE: [PSES] EuP EC 643 Household refrigerator/freezer requirements

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This is just a definition not a requirement. Best regards Andy Andy Clifford Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking consultants, The Old Methodist Chapel, Great Hucklow, Buxton, SK17 8RG England Tel. +44 1298 873800, Fax. +44 1298 873801, www.conformance.co.uk Registered in

Re: Screened room move.

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ian, Hans makes some great points. I installed a grid system under my entire building and all metal building structure is bonded to that around the periphery. The shield room is bonded all four corners to this mesh. Power for the chamber is supplied from a dedicated power supply, which itself

China Quality Inspector

2010-03-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
My company would like to start manufacturing in China so I am looking for a local Shenzhen company who specializes in quality inspections /audits Mechanical /electrical sub assemblies e . Joel Mandel Manager Quality Assurance Environmental Testing Teledata Networks Tel: +972.9.9591850 Fax: