Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Derby
It’s an old one but it still makes me smile……. Regarding the difference between wisdom and knowledge……. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad. Michael Derby Regulatory Engineer ACB Europe From: emc-p...@ieee.org

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
Some of my favorites. The Other Brian A wise man learns by the mistakes of others, a fool by his own. [Latin Proverb] By associating with wise people you will become wise yourself. [Menander] One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little.

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Oscar Overton Jr
From a book on wisdom - Proverbs. The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel: for attaining wisdom and discipline; for understanding words of insight; for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life, doing what is right and just and fair; for giving prudence to the simple, knowledge and

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread McInturff, Gary
Rather than wise man – here is citation from the wiseguy arena. My dad always said, “You’re not completely worthless – you can always serve as a bad example” Funny man, my dad – snort! (Wiseguy is a sarcastic American idiom meaning – Informal . a cocksure, conceited, and often insolent

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
I am pathetic - have a database of 'wise' quotes populated by a custom web crawler - filled mostly from mathematicians, Bugs Bunny, and George Carlin. I view the concepts of 'expertise' and 'wisdom' as alien to humanity at anything above the tribal organizational level. Some favorites follow.

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Ron Pickard
From my archives: I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life. - George Burns 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln You don't get anything clean without getting something else dirty. - Cecil

[PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
Our company makes laboratory equipment (the red-headed step child) which has no defined category of its own so it generally falls under the LVD unless it has a moving part to which it is now subject to the machinery directive (which is a new nightmare for me). But like many products produced

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C53E23@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: When a customer orders a configuration that does not include the sample loader (moving part), can we still declare compliance to the MD or in

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Piotr Galka
Brian, Sorry for answering having no answer for your question, but the New Year and your question make me to have some basic thoughts. 10 years ago I spend 90% of my time designing new electronic devices (doing that I like the best since I was 10). Now it is hard to get 10% for designing, I

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
Brian Re: Question 2 “2nd Edition of the Guide to application of the Machinery Directive 2006/42/EC”, available from http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/mechanical/machinery/ , offers the following guidance §383 The content of the EC Declaration of Conformity ..As a general rule,

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
John, As you can guess, it would be easier for us if we could use the same DOC for all models within a family. Here is where the question about cooling fans come into play. If a cooling fan makes the product a Machine then we could use one DOC (MD) for all since all of our products have fans.

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Nick Williams
Brian, I'm in a bit of a rush this evening so I can't spend as much time on this as perhaps it deserves, but maybe the following questions/observations will help to carry this forward: On 4 Jan 2012, at 17:38, Kunde, Brian wrote: Our company makes laboratory equipment (the red-headed

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C53E50@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: But, some say fans don't count. But do they? Some of our products have huge fans, blowers, vacuum pumps, solenoids, contactors, and other such

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
As I explained, we built products to order. One at a time per the order. We do not build in “Batches” or “Large Series” so I would not believe that we can use a range of serial numbers. Some interpret the Guide text to mean the serial number on the DOC is not mandatory, others tell me it is.

Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Michael
Hi PSTC-ers, Here is Mark Twain's take on wisdom: A man never reaches that dizzy height of wisdom that he can no longer be led by the nose. - Mark Twain's Notebook Happy New Year to all, Art A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
Brian People who claim to have the Commission’s ear and claim to know what they want Bear in mind that the Commission don’t enforce the rules ☺ I don’t either I hasten to add ☺ It’s not mandatory to put the serial number on the DoC as its not mandatory to put the serial number on the unit –

Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive DOC Questions

2012-01-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 3f0347ac6ed9504191f91f07629fbb0c55a...@thhsle14mbx2.hslive.net, dated Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com writes: It’s not mandatory to put the serial number on the DoC as its not mandatory to put the serial number on the unit – but if you do put serial