[PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Niels Hougaard
Dear list members, EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6 is concerning Overcurrent protection. All equipment supplied from mains must be protected by some sort of overcurrent protection device. §9.6.3 for non-permanently connected equipment says “If an overcurrent protection device is provided, it shall be

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 003701ced6e7$18e84df0$4ab8e9d0$@dk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes: EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6 is concerning Overcurrent protection. All equipment supplied from mains must be protected by some sort of overcurrent protection device.   §9.6.3 for

[PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Niels Hougaard
Thank you for the answer. It is the word if in the beginning of the sentence that to me indicates that there is the other possibility if not as well. Edition 1 of 61010-1 (from 1993) had a somewhat clearer wording stating that there must be an overcurrent protection device in the equipment, and

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 004c01ced6f2$b8ebbd90$2ac338b0$@dk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes: Thank you for the answer. It is the word if in the beginning of the sentence that to me indicates that there is the other possibility if not as well. I understand your point, but I

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread CR
Reading only the information in these messages. . . one really stupid but *possible* interpretation of the wording “If an overcurrent protection device is provided, it shall be within the equipment”, would be that if an overcurrent protection device -- a mains circuit breaker, say -- is

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
If you think of non-permanently connected equipment as cord-and-plug connected equipment, it is not uncommon for cord-and-plug connected equipment to rely upon the facility mains overcurrent protection (i.e., a circuit breaker in a distribution panel). Mike Sherman Product Safety and

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 435656780.4337510.1383321906804.javamail.r...@sz0110a.emeryville.ca.mail .comcast.net, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Mike Sherman - Original Message - msherma...@comcast.net writes: If you think of non-permanently connected equipment as cord-and-plug connected equipment, it is not

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message wlkhjpive9csf...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: Sorry; a typo occurred. This is what I meant: There is another discussion going on elsewhere about similar texts in IEC/EN 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1. A general re-think about how to

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 81c2032ccae04a448ae81107862dc...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Cannot comment on BS7671 or IEC60364, but all North American building codes (e.g., NEC article 240) have overcurrent protection

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Nute
9.6 Overcurrent protection (no text) 9.6.1 General (uses the word shall; not the word must) 9.6.2 Permanently connected equipment 9.6.3 Other equipment In context of the Clause, the requirement of 9.6.3 is to require the overcurrent device, if provided, be a part of the equipment. (Once it had

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 5273fde9.8050...@ieee.org, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: 9.6 Overcurrent protection (no text) 9.6.1 General (uses the word shall; not the word must) Ah, well, the information posted was incorrect but I assumed it was correct. -- OOO - Own Opinions

[PSES] October EMC Blogs

2013-11-01 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi All, Here's an update on some blog postings and an EDN article from this past October. Review: Right the First Time, by Lee Ritchey: http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4421861/Review--Right-The-First-Time--by-Lee-Richey Protect Circuits from ESD:

[PSES] Definition of accessible parts

2013-11-01 Thread Scott Xe
In dielectric strength test, normally the high voltage is required to apply between live mains input and accessible parts. What are the exact meaning of accessible parts? In general, we use test fingers and/or test pins to determine an accessible parts. Is there any other requirement to