Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread T.Sato
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:26:23 +, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote: The FCC is generally not concerned with unintentional emissions from construction machinery. The general assumption is that a susceptible receiver would not be operating in close proximity to the construction

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Hulbert
A sidebar here. FCC Rules also exempt A digital device utilized exclusively in an appliance, e.g., microwave oven, dishwasher, clothes dryer, air conditioner (central or window), etc.. These devices not only can be operated but are expected to be operated in residential areas. Rules don't

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Ted Eckert
The rules made sense when they were drafted. Forty years ago, a dishwasher wouldn't have digital electronics and it would be unlikely to cause interference in receivers located more than a few meters away. The same dishwasher would be very loud during operation and you wouldn't be able to

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-08-27 Thread Raymond Li
John, Thanks for your good advice on BD. I just learnt from ITS that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is no longer required to have a bar at the bottom like the one in BD in the latest directive and the EN 50419 is in the process to be amended. I did not find any revision in the latest

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-08-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 7cdcfb8f-e74e-4101-8b29-0b3388c55...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I just learnt from ITS that the crossed-out wheeled bin symbol is no longer required to have a bar at the bottom like the one in BD in the latest directive and the EN 50419

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 90cb2e2117c14d10b8f8804eeb696...@bl2pr03mb372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes: If my understanding of history is correct, we may even have the existence of the 2.4 GHz ISM band due to radiated emissions from microwave

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I'm guessing most people wouldn't even know to complain these days if theirs or their neighbors dishwasher started interfering with their TV or radio. And TV's with their cable/internet/satellite connections and FM/satellite radios are a lot more immune to that stuff as well than 40 years ago.

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-08-27 Thread Raymond Li
John, I believe the draft was the EN 50419 : 2006. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Scott On 27 Aug, 2014, at 9:51 pm, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message 7cdcfb8f-e74e-4101-8b29-0b3388c55...@gmail.com, dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I just

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Kunde, Brian
Though the home appliance industry has had their issues in the past, I can testify this is no longer the case. I work within a few miles of the headquarters of one of the largest home appliance manufacturers in the world. I've worked with their EMC department in a cooperative effort for over

Re: [PSES] Crossed-out wheeled bin symbol

2014-08-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message a6a74265-c203-4719-b81a-01bef7f41...@gmail.com, dated Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Raymond Li scott...@gmail.com writes: I believe the draft was the EN 50419 : 2006. Thanks for sharing. Apologies: I read 2004 as 2014. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Ted Eckert
Brian brings up some good points and I would like to thank him for correcting and amending my original statements. I would like to think that industrial equipment wouldn't malfunction due to electromagnetic noise. I would hate to think what the Bagger 288 could do if its control systems went

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 00381d375d464f42b729f8999d3ff...@bl2pr03mb372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes: Brian brings up some good points and I would like to thank him for correcting and amending my original statements. I would like to think

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread Brian Oconnell
After reading this thread, am not certain why functional safety and EMC safety would not apply to heavy equipment for U.S. The FCC's scope exception is for transportation vehicles. The Bagger 288 is a magnificent machine, but 'transport' vehicle is certainly not among its incredible

Re: [PSES] construction machinery in USA

2014-08-27 Thread CR
On 8/27/2014 7:58 AM, Jim Hulbert wrote: A sidebar here. FCC Rules also exempt A digital device utilized exclusively in an appliance, e.g., microwave oven, dishwasher, clothes dryer, air conditioner (central or window), etc.. These devices not only can be operated but are expected to be