, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
James,
Do ask for a demo unit and ensure that the emissions SW that you are using is
able to control it.
By the way I'm using the PMM receiver up to 3GHz with TDK RFS SW. You would
probably want to consider the 6GHz option. PMM
My understanding is that this is whats done...
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From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
I had forgotten about that fact. In what I wrote
James,
Do ask for a demo unit and ensure that the emissions SW that you are using is
able to control it.
By the way I'm using the PMM receiver up to 3GHz with TDK RFS SW. You would
probably want to consider the 6GHz option. PMM is not a spectrum, hence if you
like the features of colorful
In message 8ce362b4daae905-16b4-13...@webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com,
dated Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Derek Walton lfresea...@aol.com writes:
A cable is only its characteristic impedance when fed and terminated in
matching impedance. That's why I said non-perfect impedance of the
cable
The
+0100
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Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
In message ca83e27d.bf05f%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Wed, 31
Aug 2011, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Then the rest of the connection all the way back to the receiver should
be well
the antenna and Zo of the cable.
What am I missing?
Cheers,
Derek.
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From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
Expansion on this: “Less issues matching
In message ca83e27d.bf05f%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Wed, 31
Aug 2011, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Then the rest of the connection all the way back to the receiver should
be well-matched 50 Ohm sections.
I believe the product in question has a fibre-optic link. I
: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:51:32 +0100
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
In message ca83d601.bf043%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Wed, 31
Aug 2011, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Cable is usually
In message ca83d601.bf043%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Wed, 31
Aug 2011, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Cable is usually 50 Ohms.
Well, people do sometimes tread on it or even stand heavy equipment on
it, but in general I agree that, if treated with care, good quality
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Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
All good points.
you could add that the antenna would better represent free space. I wonder
what the effect
dielectric.
I'm sure there are more.
Cheers,
Derek.
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From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 11:10 am
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
In message 40be5b4eca254ad7bae8a4d5ef896
In message 40be5b4eca254ad7bae8a4d5ef896...@tamuracorp.com, dated Wed,
31 Aug 2011, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
Why is it good that the 'RF head' is separate and/or can be attached to
the antenna?
No cable loss?
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Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
Just a quick note about the Teseq Receiver. I think you really mean the PMM
marketed by Teseq.
This really is a super little receiver. It's CISPR compliant, but it also does
neat tricks like has a click option, and also the MIL 6 dB BW
.
Derek Walton
L F Research
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From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:25 am
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
No experience with it, but wondering if anyone else out there has used
No experience with it, but wondering if anyone else out there has used the
Amplifier Research CER2018A. This is a receiver that was under development by
a company that AR bought a few years back. AR’s description says the
following:
“The CER2018A offers continuous coverage from 20 Hz to 18 GHz
I should add that the main standard we test to is EN 55022.
Thanks
James
From: Pawson, James [mailto:james.paw...@echostar.com]
Sent: 30 August 2011 11:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EMI Receiver - Recommendations?
Hello,
We are
Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net]
Verzonden: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:48 AM
Aan: Gert Gremmen; Ralph McDiarmid
CC: emc-p...@ieee.org
Onderwerp: RE: EMI Receiver
I believe that relying on a receiver to warn it is in overload is a
mistake. It is important that those performing measurements
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4890533CE@ZEUS.cetest.local,
dated Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:
OK, but do you think the overload feature is less reliable implemented
than the actual read-out of a peak value? Did the manufacturer do a
lousy job ? We use
[Original Message]
From: Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl
To: k...@earthlink.net
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: 12/5/2008 2:59:15 AM
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
OK, but do you think the overload feature is less
reliable implemented than the actual read-out of a peak value?
Did the manufacturer
Best regards,
Clif
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gert
Gremmen
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:27 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
From EUT cost to compliance point of view I fully agree with this
discussion about preselectors.
The only
That's my understanding too.
Ralph McDiarmid, AScT
Compliance Engineering Group
Xantrex Technology Inc
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Clif
Brick
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:50 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I could
cbr...@petsafe.net wrote:
From: Clif Brick cbr...@petsafe.net
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
To: Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl, emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 2:49 PM
I could be wrong as it's been a few years, but it seems
to me that a
spectrum analyzer receiver in overload
2008 17:57
Aan: emc-p...@ieee.org
Onderwerp: RE: EMI Receiver
That's my understanding too.
Ralph McDiarmid, AScT
Compliance Engineering Group
Xantrex Technology Inc
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Clif
Brick
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:50 AM
To: Gert
readily
make an erroneous conclusion. Now of course if it's all carried out in
a chamber.
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gert
Gremmen
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:50 PM
To: Ralph McDiarmid
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I think
...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I think this is more a theoretic exercise, and as true as unlikely to
fool you.
Any decent receiver in overload
does not show a measurement value
but blinks, reports an error condition (IEEE-bus
direct - 703-880-4841
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Clif Brick
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:14 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; Ralph McDiarmid
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I guess the crux of your argument lies in the definition of decent
In message 000b01c9564c$22d7c8c0$68875a40$@com, dated Thu, 4 Dec 2008,
dward dw...@atcb.com writes:
always use his/her own noodle to judge any measurement made
How revolutionary!(;-) Seriously, it's one of those crucial things that
distinguishes professionals from others.
--
OOO - Own
ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Date: 12/4/2008 1:52:19 PM
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I think this is more a theoretic exercise,
and as true as unlikely to fool you.
Any decent receiver in overload
does not show a measurement value
but blinks, reports an error condition (IEEE-bus
...@ieee.org
Onderwerp: RE: EMI Receiver
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com wrote:
Amazing the spectrum you get when a really large 50kHz switching
fundamental slams into the transient limiter.
I remember reading a long time ago that when a transient limiter starts
to clamp
copies of the original message.
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Julian
Jones
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:49 AM
To: Untitled
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
Can we please drop this topic now..I am beginning to lose
the will to live.
From: emc-p
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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf
Of Jim Eichner
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:03 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
Indeed, however while I too may be losing the will to live, I
still have the will to search
.
By careful use of input attenuation and observing the results, a traditional
skill used by users of spectrum analysers may help?
BR
John McAuley
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Eichner
Sent: 02 December 2008 08:03
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
[mailto:john.mcau...@cei.ie]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:46 AM
To: Jim Eichner; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
I notice Rohde and Schwarz have a new low cost ESL receiver. Unlike
previous pre compliance receivers it appears to be compliant to CISPR
16
even for the 1 Hz QP prf
Sent: 02 December 2008 19:12
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
As we often test immature prototypes with high emissions, I am quite
concerned about out-of-band emissions-related effects, and consider a
real preselector to be a mandatory part of any system we switch over
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com wrote:
Amazing the spectrum you get when a really large 50kHz switching fundamental
slams into the transient limiter.
I remember reading a long time ago that when a transient limiter starts to
clamp, it becomes a comb generator. I ran
My management calls it that expensive do-hickey.
Bob Heller
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
Price, Andrew
In message
baaffc88eeb3c541b27f567064251ef905333...@desmdswms202.des.grplnk.net,
dated Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
andrew.p.pr...@selexgalileo.com writes:
What was wrong with the old Stoddart/Ailtech Identity?
EMI/Field Intensity Meter
But does it measure field
Price's posts on
this subject.
Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261
From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:29:48 +
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver
In message
baaffc88eeb3c541b27f567064251ef905333...@desmdswms202.des.grplnk.net,
dated Mon, 1 Dec
In message c5596668.3288c%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Mon, 1
Dec 2008, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Picking a very small nit, field intensity is measured in terms of Volts
per
meter, these days. Radiated power density is measured in terms of Watts
per
square meter.
: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:30:08 +
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver
In message c5596668.3288c%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Mon, 1
Dec 2008, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
Picking a very small nit, field intensity is measured in terms of Volts
per
meter
Can we please drop this topic now..I am beginning to lose
the will to live.
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price,
Edward
Sent: 01 December 2008 16:53
To: Untitled
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org
-Original Message-
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf
Of Ken Javor
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:47 AM
To: Untitled
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver
This may be one of those usage differences that occur on
opposite sides of the Pond. After all, what we
In message c5597135.328a7%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Mon, 1
Dec 2008, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
This may be one of those usage differences that occur on opposite sides
of the Pond. After all, what we in the USA call a billion, you call a
milliard, and what you
From: Julian Jones ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:48:58 -
To: Untitled emc-p...@ieee.org
Conversation: EMI Receiver
Subject: RE: EMI Receiver
Can we please drop this topic now..I am beginning to lose
the will to live.
-Original Message-
From: emc
In message
9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub,
dated Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes:
So USA 2 billion is a UK billiard?
Of course. The basis is the archaic unit 'ard' = 10^12, so a milliard is
obviously 10^9. (;-)
--
OOO - Own
field intensity x magnetic field intensity,
Where x denotes vector cross-product.
Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261
From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:07:00 +
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: EMI Receiver
In message c5597135.328a7%ken.ja
Hi Mike,
According to an Agilent representative at the 2007 IEEE symposium in Hawaii,
the combination of the Agilent PSA + pre-selector + signal generator had not
been CISPR 16 certified. If CISPR 16 compliance is important to you, you may
wish to double check with Agilent for the latest
From: Garnier, David S (MED) [mailto:david.garn...@med.ge.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:06 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: EMI receiver: Dynamic Sciences DSI-2020
Hello,
Has anyone had any experiance with this receiver
that they would be willing to share with me (on
In a message dated 11/19/2003 3:12:16 PM Central Standard Time,
david.garn...@med.ge.com writes:
Hello,
Has anyone had any experiance with this receiver
that they would be willing to share with me (on or
off the listserve?) Interested, also if you are using
any other EMI control S/W package
In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:55:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
gary_mcintu...@msn.com writes:
Just a small heads up John.
I don't have the specs on the instruments that you are discussing but one
of the many things that the NIST folks want to know about your site are the
qualifications of
John,
I have no specific experience with either product, so my comments are a
bit more general.
Schaffner and Dynamic Sciences have been in the business for a long
time. I recall using a DSI receiver when I worked for the Navy back in
the late 1970s, so they are not a newcomer to receiver
Could all responses please be posted to the list group as I would be
interested in hearing feedback about these 2 instruments as well.
Thanks,
Monty
From: John Jankowski [mailto:john_jankow...@cnt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:33 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: EMI
Try RS documentation especially the booklet:
Measuring EMI and wanted signals.
It was published quit a long time ago, but they might want to make you
a copy...
Your headroom is exactly equal to their numbers.
regards
Gert Gremmen
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From:
I read in !emc-pstc that J.Feldhaar j.feldh...@telejet.de wrote (in
3c0672ab.afbfd...@telejet.de) about 'EMI receiver desensitization and
amplitude overhead', on Thu, 29 Nov 2001:
I am looking for a URL or graphic that shows the headroom necessary for
correct QP emi measurements using an EMI
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