Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread MIKE
Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect App -- Original Message -- From: Joe Randolph To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: October 30, 2020 at 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not? Yes, apparently, the authority to impose an electrical code rests with the individual

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Douglas Powell
I suppose online access by subscription is a viable option but only if the quality and usability is better than the free version. So far, this free version doesn't showcase the product very well. Have a great weekend. ~doug On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:56 PM Scott Aldous wrote: > Hi Doug, > >

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Scott Aldous
Hi Doug, The free viewer works great... if your goal is to comply with the letter of the law of providing free access while still attempting to maximize your revenue from sales of the docs. I hadn't heard about no more pdf version available from NFPA. Looks like they have a digital access

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread IBM Ken
The NFPA is acutely aware of this opinion and considers it an existential crisis. They have been sending out communications for years to their membership making the case that NFPA codes should not be free and the fees paid for them go directly towards improving safety. Just one example:

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Douglas Powell
Yes, This "free" version is what I was referring to about being very deficient with regard to usability. The pages cannot be scaled and are in jpg format only. To search for content you can only page through. You can find a table of contents but chapter level is about as granular as it gets.

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Scott Aldous
FYI, the California version of the code is also available to view online for free: https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/codes-and-standards/free-access?mode=view There is a California Article 89 which is specific to the state of CA, and various amendments throughout,

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Douglas Powell
Rich, I knew about adoption policies and actually have a web monitor on https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-maps so I can capture any updates. I recommend reading the report "Falling behind on electrical safety" . I suppose that when adopted by any locality into law, then

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Joe Randolph
From: Scott Aldous [mailto:scottald...@google.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:41 AM To: Joe Randolph Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not? I agree with Joe. Since jurisdictions across the US do not adopt the same revision of NFPA 70 <https://ww

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Doug: If I remember correctly, the intro to the NEC says that it is a model for adoption by various AHJs. In Oregon, each edition of NFPA 70 is formally adopted with exceptions and additions. So, most of NFPA 70 is law. The amendments are freely available. Many other

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Scott Aldous
I agree with Joe. Since jurisdictions across the US do not adopt the same revision of NFPA 70 , mandating a single edition at the federal level could be problematic. On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:15 AM Joe

Re: [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?

2020-10-30 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Doug: The short answer is that compliance with NFPA 70 is, in fact, the law in most states and localities. Most states have passed laws that require compliance with NFPA 70. In these states, when the electrical inspector visits a site, the code book used to determine compliance