RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread Gary McInturff
Hi Chris, I agree with your whole heartedly. If it weren't for people there wouldn't be an ESD problem. We are wither walking around charging others stuff like furniture or worse yet we charge ourselves and the go around touching stuff. For the most part I know of nobody that is able to

CPSTC safety chapter meeting for May 2, 2001

2001-04-23 Thread RichardG
Greetings, For those of you who are interested in attending the Colorado Product Safety Technical Committee (CPSTC) meeting, please read on. If you plan on attending, please let me know by Friday April 27, 2001, so I can plan accordingly with the food and drinks. Also, if you need a map, let me

RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread McCoy, Paul
Ed, Desirability may be a moot point. Whether you want to test the membrane keypad as a contact discharge or not the test equipment may not let you. The Haefly-Trench ESD gun (PESD 1600?) for one checks continuity through the tip before it enables a contact discharge. If you pull the

RE: Job Description

2001-04-23 Thread Gorodetsky, Vitaly
Doug - Quoting our new President, you are misunderestimate yourself in item 15 particularly. Also, I believe it is relevant to quote one of Scott Adams' refreshing observations (11/5/00). - Starting today, the Job requires a Ph.D. - Whew! Luckily, I have a Ph.D. - You do?

FW: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi Ed, I fully agree that membrane keypads are one of the most common places where a finger could discharge to the instrument. However, I disagree that contact discharge is the appropriate test method for these surfaces. Current state of the art in test instruments and methods dictates

RE: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread Gary McInturff
I once was in a hurry to get out the door to a racquetball game. My shorts were still damp and I got to thinking about how microwave ovens work and their effects of the on water content of items. Rapidly following a flawed string of logic I decided the microwave would a quick solution to

RE: Transformer Question

2001-04-23 Thread Pham, Tac
Ken, Depend on the type of transformer, such as isolating or signal, you should be aware of the following: 1. The temperature rating would dictate the insulation class A (105), B (130), and so on... in accordance with IEC85. These insulating systems will identify the tapes, wires, plastic

ISN or Current probe method on telecommunication ports?

2001-04-23 Thread Richard Lee
Dear Colleague, Does anybody have done any conducted emission test on telecommunication ports per EN55022 1998 standard requirement? Currently, we have performed a conducted emission test of our product on the shielded telecom port by using ISN and current probe methods, and the results of both

Re: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread Ken Javor
Several years ago I went to warm up some peanut butter I kept in the fridge so that it would spread easier. I had not noticed or forgotten that the (metallized) security wrap underneath the plastic lid had not completely detached from the jar lip. I got a spectacular light show right through

Re: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread Ken Javor
RAM absorbs rf energy by virtue of a controlled conductivity via impregnated carbon, but it is a broadband effect, just as you state. 2450 MHz is the frequency which excites vibration in H2O molecules, so H2O is PARTICULARLY efficient at absorbing energy at that frequency. Certainly other media

RE: Transformer Question

2001-04-23 Thread Gary McInturff
Usually, you have to submit an unpotted transform and while not a big deal it takes extra co-ordination with the transformer folks. A more important feature, at least for me, is that the vendor has to prove all of the materials and thicknesses, not me. It also allows the manufacturer of

RE: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
I once warmed up some leftover take-out Chinese food in the take-out containers with the metal handle. The laws of physics worked -- the handle burned the container. Water is apparently resonant at 2450 MHz, but metal also reacts to EM waves. Your dishes may have metallic compounds in the

RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@gnnettest.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:45 AM To: 'Dan Kinney (A)'; Douglas C. Smith; Terry Meck Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level Hi Dan, Air discharges are made anywhere

RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread Cortland Richmond
Since the contact method requires penetrating thin, cosmetic coatings, it is a bad idea on membrane keypads; bore that sharp point into the contacts and it's ruined even before you hit the electronics. Not that they'd fare all that well with direct discharge! In any case, there is often some

Re: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread Cortland Richmond
A lump of coal will heat up in a microwave oven. No water needed. It is the bulk resistivity of an object which allows circulating currents to generate heat, and while water can help (when we wet something, its chemical bonds are a source of electrons) it is not the only thing that is heated in a

April, 2001 EMC/Telco/Product Safety Update Now Available

2001-04-23 Thread Glen Dash
The Curtis-Straus Update is for April, 2001 is now available at: http://www.conformity-update.com The headlinea are: VATICAN RADIO TOWER SPARKS ITALIAN PROTEST. CANADA SEEKS COMMENT ON CELL PHONE JAMMERS. FCC AMENDS PART 15. PRODUCER OF DEFECTIVE BATTERIES PLEADS GUILTY TO FRAUD. EU STANDARDS

Re: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread Ken Javor
Microwave safe dishes do not heat if put in an oven without food on them to heat by conduction; melmac cannot be pt in a microwave because it does absorb - I don't know what's in melmac but it must have some water content that does absorb energy. Maybe the same goes for your pottery. It's

Re: Job Description

2001-04-23 Thread georgea
Luiz, You can couch the following topics in whatever buzz words are in vogue in your company, but I see the following list as the Product Safety cycle of activities: - Understand the applicable global product safety design standards. - Establish any desirable company product safety

Interference generator - data lines

2001-04-23 Thread Sterner, David [SFS]
Does anyone have information on Koepfer Model SG41 Interference Generator's Option 1500, a capacitive-inductive coupling fixture? The SG41/option 1500 injects interference into data lines under controlled conditions. Koepfer's drawing shows parallel data and pulse lines of defined length and

RE: ESD generators max Contact discharge level

2001-04-23 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi Dan, Air discharges are made anywhere on the product where an insulator covers possibly sensitive features. Membrane keypads are a great example. The keypads contain traces and circuitry that may be sensitive to ESD. However, since the outermost layer is an insulator, making a contact

RE: Transformer Question

2001-04-23 Thread Peter Merguerian
Ken, The closest you can get is UL's category for Transformers (Construction Only) and covered under their category XORU2. These are teransformers that have been cosntructed to various standards and meet the constructional requirements only. Testing is done as part of the end-product. It is a

Re: 2. 4 GHz cordless telephone, question of general interest

2001-04-23 Thread David Instone
Ken Javor wrote: Just goes to show you can find anything on the net. I have measured leakage from microwave ovens and every one was at 2450 MHz. And that IS a resonant frequency for water and water alone. That's why you can put waterless items in and they won't heat up, Hm, now I wonder