RE: information safe

2002-10-03 Thread Brewster, Alan
A jamming device? I never heard of such a th100100100100111001100101101010101010010110110101011011011011011011101 Regards, Alan Brewster Senior Systems Safety Engineer -- From: Lucian [SMTP:y...@ht.rol.cn.net] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:27 AM

Re: Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?

2002-10-03 Thread Ken Javor
I believe what Ing. Gremmen described is the true spirit of immunity testing - you must tailor the test technique to the characteristics of the test sample. As he noted, however, sometimes you have to modify the method of assessing compliant behavior in order to accomplish the test in a

RE: Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?

2002-10-03 Thread Leslie Bai
Gert Gremmen wrote: ... prescan with Increase frequency step size ! (watch out for resonances) Modify equipment to decrease fault response time (low pass filters ; software ) Build Specifc test features Write specific test software . I am wondering whoelse out there doing these - Is

Re: Filtering 100 BaseT during immunity

2002-10-03 Thread Ken Javor
Seems like the obvious solution is to use a grounded feedthrough connector at the bulkhead which terminates the shield 360 degrees to the wall. On the other side a new shield, also grounded to the bulkhead picks up where the other left off. That should stop all currents on the shield from

Re: information safe

2002-10-03 Thread Ken Javor
If I did know anything about it, I wouldn't be allowed to say so... -- From: Lucian y...@ht.rol.cn.net To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: information safe List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2002, 7:26 AM Dear Sirs, We know it's very important to keep

RE: information safe

2002-10-03 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Lucian [mailto:y...@ht.rol.cn.net] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:27 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: information safe Dear Sirs, We know it's very important to keep information safe, while PC and its monitor emit signals always. One method to

Re: information safe

2002-10-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Lucian y...@ht.rol.cn.net wrote (in 001801c26ad8$c3d21340$eef56cca@y7v8g6) about 'information safe' on Thu, 3 Oct 2002: Does anybody know any information about the latter method? Yes, it's illegal in almost all countries. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

RE: New FCC conducted emission limit

2002-10-03 Thread Pettit, Ghery
KC, You should always use the latest version of the FCC Rules. The September 9 date refers to when this change took effect. For now, you have the option of using the new limits (which are the same as CISPR 22) or the old FCC limits for power line conducted emissions. The FCC Rules don't

Re: Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?

2002-10-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote (in oleokfnbajjejfkplbbmienmcdaa.g.grem...@cetest.nl) about 'Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?' on Thu, 3 Oct 2002: The test will give you only PRESUMPTION of compliance anyway. It is extremely misleading to cast continual

RE: preplated steel

2002-10-03 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:23 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: preplated steel I read in !emc-pstc that Ted Rook t...@crestaudio.com wrote (in sd9b1823@peavey.com) about 'preplated

Re: Can a Haefely EM-101 Coupling Clamp Serve as an Absorbing Clamp?

2002-10-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Barnes jrbar...@iglou.com wrote (in 3d9c46aa.7...@iglou.com) about 'Can a Haefely EM-101 Coupling Clamp Serve as an Absorbing Clamp?' on Thu, 3 Oct 2002: John, You are correct-- The EN 61000-4-6 coupling clamp (EN 61000-4-6 Annex A, and Figure A.3) is a whole

Filtering 100 BaseT during immunity

2002-10-03 Thread Paul_Scott
I want to provide isolation for auxillary equipment while performing radiated/conducted immunity testing on 100BT LAN. Tests are performed in a shielded room, and a bulkhead is used. Right now, cables pass right through the bulkhead (with, of course, split core ferrites of varying materials

Re: Can a Haefely EM-101 Coupling Clamp Serve as an Absorbing Clamp?

2002-10-03 Thread John Barnes
John, You are correct-- The EN 61000-4-6 coupling clamp (EN 61000-4-6 Annex A, and Figure A.3) is a whole different beast than an EN 55014-1 absorbing clamp (CISPR 16-1:1993 Annex K, Figure 38, and Figure 39). I'll look around some more. The *goal* of the EN 55014-1 30-300MHz

information safe

2002-10-03 Thread Lucian
Dear Sirs, We know it's very important to keep information safe, while PC and its monitor emit signals always. One method to deal with it is shielding, another method is to place an emitter besides PC emitting signals to interfere with PC's signals. Does anybody know any information about the

Re: Use of pre-plated steel.

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Phillips
John, Sharp edges of pre-plate can be a real problem. And deburring can cause the pre-plate to rust. I'm told you can't run a deburring process on pre-plate - for that reason. I've also been told that a sharp tool will leave less sharp edges on the finished piece, and I'm not only

RE: Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?

2002-10-03 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Paul, By reading your explanation it seems as if you miss the point of what immunity testing is about. Testing Immunity ! Your explanation makes me think you want to exercise the standard to the letter. That's probably not the case, but one should also take the following into account:

RMCEMC October Meeting

2002-10-03 Thread Charles Grasso
To all interested parties: The RMCEMC Society's October meeting will be: Computer Simulation for System Level EMC Design by Dr Fred German of Flomerics. Go to our website: http://www.ieee.org/rmcemc for full details Best Regards Charles Grasso Vice-Chair

New FCC conducted emission limit

2002-10-03 Thread KC CHAN [PDD]
Hi all I know that FCC has changed the conducted emission limits for FCC part 15 and 18, and I do see changes in the latest FCC part 15. The copy I have is as of July 22 2002. In section 15.37(j), as follows. All radio frequency devices that are authorized under the certification,

Dwell time for Immunity under EN55024?

2002-10-03 Thread Paul_Scott
Greetings, Problem: What is the correct dwell time to be used for radiated and conducted immunity for 61000-4-3/61000-4-6 under EN55024? My thoughts; Section 8 of IEC 61000-4-3 (I have 1995): The rate of sweep shall not exceed 1.5 x 10 -3 decades/s. I understand we shall not exceed a 1 % step

Re: preplated steel

2002-10-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ted Rook t...@crestaudio.com wrote (in sd9b1823@peavey.com) about 'preplated steel' on Wed, 2 Oct 2002: I believe that if you want edges that don't corrode you can get the right material by coordination between your engineers and purchasing people. The stuff that

Re: FW: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread gary . raper
Joe, In effect, nothing changed. To comply with the RTTE directive, you must meet Safety EN 60950 and EMC standards in the OJ. The same is true to meet the EMC and LVD directives. However, if the RTTE directive does not apply to your equipment and it's source power is 60VDC or lower, then you

FW: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread Joe Finlayson
All, Below is a response from Mark Bogers reinforcing my, as well as other's, position on the applicability of Network Equipment under the RTTE Directive. Based on this response, it is clear that the intent of the directive was not to include Network Equipment. Thx, Joe

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread Joe Finlayson
Paul, I agree with your statements below. I also agree that test reports to the applicable interface standards may be required in other countries. I further agree that certain network operators within the European Union may require said test reports as part of their procurement

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread colin_mcgeechan
Alain et al, Looking on this web site (http://approval.rrl.go.kr/eng/index.html) I found the following exception: Equipment exempt from certification according to Article 4 of the Regulations for certification of information and communication equipment and Article 2 of the Enforcement

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread John Czyzewicz
Hi Colin, I'd try another test lab, and if possible, ask your customer (they may want it to make them feel good). I did not do any telco testing on our E1 boards that use SS7 (C.O. location) and did not have a problem with the RRL. You will still need to do EMC and safety . Of course, rules

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread 岑國綸
Dear Colin, TTE to be approved are, according to the wording used in the Korean ministry decree: 1- Equipment which can be connected directly to a demarcation point of backbone communication network. 2- Equipment not directly connected to a demarcation point of backbone communication

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
Colin, You have to be carefull about what Korea RRL is stating by telecom type approval. We have experience with VPN product without connections to the Public Network and they have requested telecom approval tests. Mainly the tests consist of EMI/EMC tests I hope this help Pierre-Marie

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread colin_mcgeechan
Hi All, I have some Network Equipment with DS1 and E1/T1 interfaces, it is for use within the Telco Central Office and while I believe it to be outwith the scope of the RTTE I find that in Korea this type of interface requires a Telecom type approval (according to the Korean Test Lab - Estech