[PSES] IEC 62911?

[Ronald Pickard]

The IEC just announced the PRV (FDIS) of IEC 62911 "Audio, video and 
information technology equipment - Routine electrical safety testing in 
production" (see link below).

https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/23531_source=JustPublished_medium=email_content=2015-10_campaign=Monthly+email+for+JP

To those in the know, when IEC 62911 is finally published, will it become 
referenced in IEC 62368-1 and serve as the basis for routine electrical safety 
testing in production? And if so, does anyone have a timeline for that?

However, it seems to me that it's not entirely focused toward IEC 62368-1 as it 
does appear to not include communications equipment.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039


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Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

[Ted Eckert]

Hi Ron,

I'm not sure how it will be handled specifically. I took a closer look at what 
was published in the OJ and the only routine tests published are EN 50106 for 
products under IEC 60335. EN 50514 (which superseded EN 50116) has not been 
published in the OJ.

My experience has been that the standard for the routine tests you must perform 
are specified by the certification agencies who's mark you apply to your 
product. Many NCBs accepted testing to EN 50116 and EN 50514, but these were 
not necessarily required. IEC 62911 is an attempt at providing a harmonized set 
of routine tests.

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 8:55 AM
To: Ted Eckert 
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: IEC 62911?

Hi Ted et al,
Thanks for your reply.

Please note that the observation of not including communication equipment was 
merely that.

Also in the 5.4.9.2 Note of IEC 62368-1, there is a reference to routine tests 
in production. I'm wondering if IEC 62911 would then become a basic standard of 
sorts to IEC 62368-1 for routine production line testing.

I'm also wondering if IEC 62911 will be treated in the same way as EN 50116 
(unaware of an IEC base standard) was to EN 60950.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039

From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 8:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

The scope states the following.

This International Standard defines routine electrical safety test procedures 
for use during or after manufacturing of complete equipment, sub-assemblies or 
components, complying with IEC 60065, IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1 and powered by 
an a.c. mains supply or d.c. mains supply, to detect manufacturing failures and 
unacceptable tolerances in manufacturing and materials.

I see no reason why this wouldn't cover communications equipment that falls 
within the scope of either IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1.

I will also note that the type test standards typically do not directly 
reference the routine test standard. For Europe, the new standard will be 
accepted based on the dates given when it is published in the Official Journal. 
For other regions, you will need to check with the NCBs.

I would like to encourage my more knowledgeable colleagues on this list server 
to amend or correct what I have stated if there are errors of fact or omission.

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 7:19 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] IEC 62911?

The IEC just announced the PRV (FDIS) of IEC 62911 "Audio, video and 
information technology equipment - Routine electrical safety testing in 
production" (see link below).

https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/23531_source=JustPublished_medium=email_content=2015-10_campaign=Monthly+email+for+JP

To those in the know, when IEC 62911 is finally published, will it become 
referenced in IEC 62368-1 and serve as the basis for routine electrical safety 
testing in production? And if so, does anyone have a timeline for that?

However, it seems to me that it's not entirely focused toward IEC 62368-1 as it 
does appear to not include communications equipment.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039

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Re: [PSES] Acceptance of CB EMC Test Reports and Certificates

[Kevin Robinson]

The most concise information I have found is available at 
http://members.iecee.org/iecee/ieceemembers.nsf/ACRFList?readform. Select your 
country, scheme and certification body and download their response which will 
advise of the regulatory requirements and whether they will accept your CB 
report. 


Kevin Robinson 

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Grace Lin  wrote:
> 
> Dear Members,
> 
> I am curious to learn the acceptance (value) of CB EMC test reports and 
> certificates by the (government) regulatory agencies.
> 
> Is there any regulatory agencies accept CB EMC test reports and certificates 
> (without additional evaluation and testing)?  Countries interested are China, 
> Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, and Singapore.
> 
> In the US, for unintentional radiators, FCC accepts test reports per 47CFR 
> Part 15 Subpart B (not CCISPR 22, etc.).  In EU, a DoC with appropriate 
> directive(s) supported by test reports works (no need for a CB one).
> 
> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Best regards,
> Grace
> 
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Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

[Richard Nute]

 

 

Hi Ron:

 

 

5.4.9.2, IEC 62368-1, is for routine electric
strength testing of solid insulation (there is no
routine electric strength test for clearances or
creepage distances - as if they can be separated).
The routine test voltage is 10% less than the type
test voltage.  For 250-volt rated equipment, the
type test voltage is 2500 volts peak, so the
routine test voltage is 2250 volts peak (1591
volts r.m.s.).  The test time at 2250 volts peak
is 1-4 seconds.

 

In the forthcoming IEC 62911, for 250-volt rated
equipment, the electric strength test is 2120
volts peak (1500 volts r.m.s.), minimum.  The test
time at 2120 volts peak is 1-4 seconds.

 

Which standard prevails?  Routine testing at the
IEC 62368-1 voltage fulfills both standards,
although IEC 62911 warns that testing at a higher
voltage may deteriorate or partially damage the
insulation.  (This statement is bogus; check out
Figure 1, Agilent application note 1074.)

 

http://web.rfoe.net:8000/ZILIAOXIAZAI/HPB/Contents
/7_Ap_Notes/5965-5977E.pdf

 

The high-current test will not identify marginal
construction.  The test will only identify open
circuits.  See PSN Vol. 10, No. 1, January -
March, 1997, and Vol. 10, No. 2 April - July,
1997.  A simple low-current continuity test or an
ohmmeter test is sufficient for routine testing of
the protective bonding system.  I've made this
comment, formally, to the US TAG, who did not pass
it on to TC108 (I don't know why).  

 

The record-keeping requirement has no expiration
time; this implies records must be kept forever.
Not a problem with today's electronic memory tools
(except the programs for accessing the records may
disappear).

 

I'm not in favor of IEC 62911 as written.  But,
I'm only one voice; majority vote prevails, not
engineering or science.

 

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

 

 


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[PSES] Test positions open at Washington Labs

[Mike Violette]

Hi Folks,

Let me or Steve Koster (ste...@wll.com) know if you have any interest in two 
lab test positions in Maryland.

http://wll.com/us/jobs/

Best regards,
Mike

Mike Violette
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Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

[Ronald Pickard]

Hi Ted et al,
Thanks for your reply.

Please note that the observation of not including communication equipment was 
merely that.

Also in the 5.4.9.2 Note of IEC 62368-1, there is a reference to routine tests 
in production. I'm wondering if IEC 62911 would then become a basic standard of 
sorts to IEC 62368-1 for routine production line testing.

I'm also wondering if IEC 62911 will be treated in the same way as EN 50116 
(unaware of an IEC base standard) was to EN 60950.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039

From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 8:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

The scope states the following.

This International Standard defines routine electrical safety test procedures 
for use during or after manufacturing of complete equipment, sub-assemblies or 
components, complying with IEC 60065, IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1 and powered by 
an a.c. mains supply or d.c. mains supply, to detect manufacturing failures and 
unacceptable tolerances in manufacturing and materials.

I see no reason why this wouldn't cover communications equipment that falls 
within the scope of either IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1.

I will also note that the type test standards typically do not directly 
reference the routine test standard. For Europe, the new standard will be 
accepted based on the dates given when it is published in the Official Journal. 
For other regions, you will need to check with the NCBs.

I would like to encourage my more knowledgeable colleagues on this list server 
to amend or correct what I have stated if there are errors of fact or omission.

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 7:19 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] IEC 62911?

The IEC just announced the PRV (FDIS) of IEC 62911 "Audio, video and 
information technology equipment - Routine electrical safety testing in 
production" (see link below).

https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/23531_source=JustPublished_medium=email_content=2015-10_campaign=Monthly+email+for+JP

To those in the know, when IEC 62911 is finally published, will it become 
referenced in IEC 62368-1 and serve as the basis for routine electrical safety 
testing in production? And if so, does anyone have a timeline for that?

However, it seems to me that it's not entirely focused toward IEC 62368-1 as it 
does appear to not include communications equipment.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039

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Re: [PSES] IEC 62911?

[Ted Eckert]

The scope states the following.

This International Standard defines routine electrical safety test procedures 
for use during or after manufacturing of complete equipment, sub-assemblies or 
components, complying with IEC 60065, IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1 and powered by 
an a.c. mains supply or d.c. mains supply, to detect manufacturing failures and 
unacceptable tolerances in manufacturing and materials.

I see no reason why this wouldn't cover communications equipment that falls 
within the scope of either IEC 60950-1 or IEC 62368-1.

I will also note that the type test standards typically do not directly 
reference the routine test standard. For Europe, the new standard will be 
accepted based on the dates given when it is published in the Official Journal. 
For other regions, you will need to check with the NCBs.

I would like to encourage my more knowledgeable colleagues on this list server 
to amend or correct what I have stated if there are errors of fact or omission.

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 7:19 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] IEC 62911?

The IEC just announced the PRV (FDIS) of IEC 62911 "Audio, video and 
information technology equipment - Routine electrical safety testing in 
production" (see link below).

https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/23531_source=JustPublished_medium=email_content=2015-10_campaign=Monthly+email+for+JP

To those in the know, when IEC 62911 is finally published, will it become 
referenced in IEC 62368-1 and serve as the basis for routine electrical safety 
testing in production? And if so, does anyone have a timeline for that?

However, it seems to me that it's not entirely focused toward IEC 62368-1 as it 
does appear to not include communications equipment.

I look forward to your reply,

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Compound Photonics
D | +1 (602) 883-8039

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[PSES] IEC 61010-1 Section 17

[Doug Powell]

All,

Now that we've all had some time to use the Third Edition of 61010-1, I
wonder what are the typical responses to section 17?

What I usually see are companies using their in-house FMEA/FMECA process to
satisfy the requirement of this section.  Presumably, with a view to
product safety, a formal Design FMEA/FMECA is conducted, risks identified,
Criticality & RPN calculated, corrective action plans formulated, ownership
assigned and follow-up is scheduled.  Of course, with this method, the
re-calculated Criticality & RPN should be reduced to an acceptable level
before product certification is complete.  Is this the method others are
using as well?

I see no requirement for the certifying agency to do follow-up on action
plans, so it occurs to me, what are the preferred methods for companies to
do corrective action tracking?

​Thanks a bunch, Doug




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[PSES] SDPPI lab testing Wifi Access Point in Indonesia

[Chris]

Dear folks,
I am looking for some feedback regarding getting a test date at SDPPI lab in 
Indonesia.
our in-country agent has been telling me that SDPPI lab is booked fr past 3 
weeks and cannot get test date.
Any help, if you have first hand knowledge dealing with this issue recently is 
appreciated.
regards
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Aerohive Networks

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[PSES] UAE (Dubai) Regulations for Industrial Control Equipment

[Carl Newton]

List members,

I have water treatment process control equipment that needs to get into  
Dubai, which I believe is part of UAE?  I've learned that there is a  
Certificate of Conformity (CoC) issuance for Low Voltage Equipment (LVE),  
but I cannot find what is within the scope of that LVE.  Does anybody here  
have experience with exporting industrial process control equipment to the  
UAE/Dubai and/or knowledge of the scope of the their LVE?


Thanks very much,

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[PSES] Acceptance of CB EMC Test Reports and Certificates

[Grace Lin]

Dear Members,

I am curious to learn the acceptance (value) of CB EMC test reports and
certificates by the (government) regulatory agencies.

Is there any regulatory agencies accept CB EMC test reports and
certificates (without additional evaluation and testing)?  Countries
interested are China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, and Singapore.

In the US, for unintentional radiators, FCC accepts test reports per 47CFR
Part 15 Subpart B (not CCISPR 22, etc.).  In EU, a DoC with appropriate
directive(s) supported by test reports works (no need for a CB one).

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace

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Re: [PSES] Acceptance of CB EMC Test Reports and Certificates

[Rajneesh Raveendran]

Hi Grace,

I would say that the best way would be to check the regulatory website of
the agencies of these countries for the correct information. I do not have
all the details but sharing whatever I readily know.

   - *Japan* - Check the Voluntary Control Council for Interference website
   at http://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/index.html. It states that product testing
   needs to be done at one of the VCCI registered measurement facilities.
   - *Korea* - Check the RRA - National Radio Research Agency website at
   http://rra.go.kr/eng2/intro/greeting.jsp. It states that product testing
   needs to be done at designated test laboratory. There are many CABs
   (conformity assessment bodies) designated by MRA partners and recognized by
   Korea.

Regards,
Rajneesh

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Grace Lin  wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> I am curious to learn the acceptance (value) of CB EMC test reports and
> certificates by the (government) regulatory agencies.
>
> Is there any regulatory agencies accept CB EMC test reports and
> certificates (without additional evaluation and testing)?  Countries
> interested are China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, and Singapore.
>
> In the US, for unintentional radiators, FCC accepts test reports per 47CFR
> Part 15 Subpart B (not CCISPR 22, etc.).  In EU, a DoC with appropriate
> directive(s) supported by test reports works (no need for a CB one).
>
> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best regards,
> Grace
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