RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you don't have the time.

2001-05-18 Thread Gary McInturff
Here in the US, awhile back, a woman was suing the liquor industry because she gave birth to a fetal alcohol syndrome child. Apparently, nobody in their right mind would assume that consuming a fifth of whiskey a day could be harmful to a developing fetus making the liquor industry

RE: Li-ion Batteries

2001-05-18 Thread Massey, Doug C.
Well, I haven't seen anybody weigh in on this yet, so here goes. First of all, Li-Ion batteries have tremendous energy density. I recently watched some videos of Li-Ion cells failing an overcharge test, and it was really impressive. These things looked like a roman candle going off ! They would

RE: Public Health and Safety Signs

2001-05-18 Thread Michael Mertinooke
signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy? Or biohazard labels on the door of the kids' rooms? Judging from some

NEC - 1990 version

2001-05-18 Thread Gary McInturff
I'm trying to make a decision on this issue right at the moment and here is my thoughts so far. Going through this old copy of the NEC index and looking for Disconnecting means I have a couple of interesting options. Electronic computer/data processing

RE: UL P.A.G.

2001-05-18 Thread Gary McInturff
Absolutely true but it sure provides leveage (and a good deal of fun) when you beat folks up with their own written interpretations. Gary (I use dissappearing ink alot to avoid this problem with my advice) -Original Message- From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com

Public Health and Safety Signs

2001-05-18 Thread WOODS
EU Directive 92/58/EEC specifies the requirements for health and safety signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

Korean EMC Standards

2001-05-18 Thread Aschenberg, Mat
Greetings, I need to find a place to order the KSC 5858, Korean EMC Standard. I have tried Global Engineering Documents, however they do not have it in stock and are now charging a minimum $100 order. I would like to find an alternate, and have heard others address this in the past. I

RE: Protective Bonding-UL 60950 (replacement for UL 1950)

2001-05-18 Thread Andrews, Kurt
John, This panel contains the IEC Inlet and fuse for the system. This is of course at a Hazardous voltage level as the system is rated for an input of 100-240 VAC. The wiring is close enough to the panel that if something came loose it could conceivably touch the panel. We feel it is better to

RE: UL P.A.G.

2001-05-18 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal
I guess that one thing to keep in mind is that the PAG is exactly that...a guideline based on interpretation, it is not the standard. My opinion and not that of my employer. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal -Original Message- From: Massey, Doug C. [mailto:masse...@ems-t.com] Sent: Friday, May

Re: VCCI - is it voluntary?

2001-05-18 Thread Andrew Carson
Agree, our company only recently became VCCI registered. The reason, the company we supply was already a member and required us to demonstrate compliance. John Juhasz wrote: On another note, many companies (both US and Japanese) belong to VCCI. As a member of VCCI, they pledge that the

re It is not true

2001-05-18 Thread Andrew Carson
Apologies all, sent to wrong distribution list. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer Xyratex Engineering Laboratory Tele 023 92496855 Fax 023 92496014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

RE: UL P.A.G.

2001-05-18 Thread Massey, Doug C.
I really didn't feel that I should pay for a subscription to the PAG's to clarify points in the standard, until a situation arose where the UL engineer on my project referred to a PAG note, and of course, I had to buy a subscription to verify what I was being told. I still don't think it should

RE: Protective Bonding-UL 60950 (replacement for UL 1950)

2001-05-18 Thread Crabb, John
As a previous reply has suggested, but not in the same words, surely one question that has to be considered is whether this hinged panel is required to be earthed. The requirement in UL60950 2.6.1 a) refers to accessible conductive parts that might assume a HAZARDOUS VOLTAGE in the event of a

RE: Disconnect Devices for Telecom Equipment

2001-05-18 Thread WOODS
The definition of SELV in IEC 60950 contains no restrictions on energy; rather, voltage is the only issue. A note in clause 1.2.8.6 indicates that IEC364 has a different definition of SELV. Is SELV defined to include energy restrictions in some other standards? Richard Woods --

RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?

2001-05-18 Thread John Juhasz
On another note, many companies (both US and Japanese) belong to VCCI. As a member of VCCI, they pledge that the products that they market will be evaluated for compliance with the specifications, and be marked as such. So if you are planning on doing business with a VCCI member, you will be asked

RE: Disconnect Devices for Telecom Equipment

2001-05-18 Thread Rob Legg
Group, Continual reference to centralized DC power systems as SELV is in error. Although these systems may be ELV (isolated from hazardous voltages), they are not SELV unless energy limited at the terminals so labeled. This is typically by means of fuse, breaker or other suitable disconnect

RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?

2001-05-18 Thread Wismer, Sam
George, My understanding is that if anyone in the distribution chain is registered with the VCCI, then they are obliged to distribute VCCI compliant products. So you should check you distribution to chain, mfg.-wholesaler-distributor-customer, to see if any is registered with the VCCI. In

RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?

2001-05-18 Thread Mowbray, John H
VCCI is a voluntary organization in that it is self-policing the ITE industry, and is not mandatory in a legal sense (you can't be dragged into court for non-compliance), BUT the Japanese consumers are aware of the mark and look for it. On the other side the failure to comply when you have

RE: EN54-7; Impact - swinging hammer

2001-05-18 Thread Ron Baugh
Hi Amund, I would contact Factory Mutual, because they do world wide testing for fire equipment. Their URL is: http://www.fmglobal.com/ http://www.fmglobal.com/ Good luck, Ron Baugh -Original Message- From: am...@westin.org [SMTP:am...@westin.org]

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2001-05-18 Thread Andrew Carson
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RTTE Harm Std

2001-05-18 Thread amund
Hi all, On 5 April 2001 a new OJ version of RTTE harmonized standards was released. Regarding VSAT-equipment, EN 301 428 (5-2000) applies and it describes that Reference of the superseded Standard is TBR 28 (12-1997) and the Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of the superseded

Re: VCCI - is it voluntary?

2001-05-18 Thread Andrew Carson
George VCCI registration is voluntary. You do not need it to sell in Japan. BUT like so many other things, the VCCI mark is now seen as a sign of quality and you may find it hard to sell products in Japan without the mark. George Stults wrote: Hi All, Just a basic question here about VCCI,

Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing

2001-05-18 Thread Tania Grant
Thank you, Rich, Serves me right for throwing out the old UL478 once our products were updated to UL1950 and relying on memory as to what was inside 478! Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Rich Nute Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:04 PM To: taniagr...@msn.com Cc:

Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing

2001-05-18 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Tania: I hate to call you an old-timer;-- I would rather state that you might be thinking of UL 114 and UL478 standards that are no longer in force. B ut I don't believe that even they allowed a willy-nilly change from groun ded equipment to one that is ungrounded, unless

Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing

2001-05-18 Thread Tania Grant
John, I hate to call you an old-timer;-- I would rather state that you might be thinking of UL 114 and UL478 standards that are no longer in force. But I don't believe that even they allowed a willy-nilly change from grounded equipment to one that is ungrounded, unless provided with a