Re: Ground Fill on Multi-Layer PCBs

2002-06-25 Thread Fred Townsend
Darrell, one can only guess whether it is necessary to fill unused ground area. You haven't supplied enough information to tell. If the ground is a reference ground plane for establishing impedance anywhere then you must fill the plane. If thermal considerations exist then fill it. If current

RE: SEMI - EN standards cross reference

2002-06-25 Thread LCrane
Nick, I have worked with the SEMI safety guidelines development committee for many years, and also with CE-Marking compliance... Generally speaking, there is no correlation between SEMI standards and EN Standards. That is to say, typically end users request line-by-line assessment of products

Re: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Jacob Schanker
Andrew: One could theorize that the better growth had nothing to do with RF, but with the tower not competing with the surrounding trees for nutrients. Did New Scientist make any cause and effect comments? I wonder what the EMC-PSTC group thinks of this issue - should there be concern for

RE: mechanical deformation rating under repeated impact

2002-06-25 Thread Ron Baugh
Chet, You might want to look in UL Safety Standard 508 starting with Part 1 Paragraph 6. This standards requires some very aggressive mechanical tests for enclosures. Ron Baugh VeriFone, Inc. -Original Message- From: Summers, Chet [SMTP:csumm...@pelco.com]

Re: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Ken Javor
The following represents my thoughts on the matter. For the original query, and those looking for information on actual standards/recommendations on the original subject matter, there is none to be found in the answer below. Since I am self-employed, I need not concern myself with embarrassing

mechanical deformation rating under repeated impact

2002-06-25 Thread Summers, Chet
Hello group, I am looking for a standard (or standards) that rates the repeated impact or detent withstand of small electronic enclosures (app. one cubic foot or less in volume). I am aware of UL's impact rating test, but I am looking for something a bit more aggressive. Is there such a

Re: Class 2 Power Unit

2002-06-25 Thread Art Michael
Hello Brian, To my recollection (and in simplified form): Maximum Output voltage, less than 30V rms/42.2V peak/60V DC (including open circuit) Maximum Output current, less than 8 Amps, at one minute of overload, including short-circuit Charts and Tables within the standard further clarify

RE: SEMI - EN standards cross reference

2002-06-25 Thread Collins, Jeffrey
Nick, What EN's did your product meet? EN 1010, EN60204 and EN292-1 2 are the closest relevant spec's I've used which relate to SEMI S2. You may want to look at the Machinery Directive, Low Voltage Directive and the EMAS Voluntary Directive ( Environmental Management and Audit Scheme) for

Units, Symbols and Style Guide

2002-06-25 Thread Chuck Mullett
My attempt to attach these files for all of you to download did not work, as the system won't allow the attachments. Here's the plan: If you would like a copy of PSMA's Units, Symbols and Style Guide, and my Writing Guide, just send me an email. I'll reply with a .pdf file for each. It will

Re: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Xing, Find my comments below marked with ***. Your email stated: Our test lab receive a CB TEST REPORT FOR NATIONAL RECOGNIZATION, the EUT is a class II ac adapter having a bridging capacitor (4700pF)across the reinforced insulation The touch current measured by CB is 0.17mA(4700pF

RE: Formaldehyde requirements for Europe

2002-06-25 Thread Mark_Maynard
This website is for the German RAL agency, which has responsibility for the Blue Angel environmental requirements for products in Germany. http://www.blauer-engel.de/willkommen/willkommen.htm Thanks- Mark M. -Original Message- From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] Sent: Monday,

RE: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Mark_Maynard
The Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark) have done the most research into this issue, that I am aware of. If you look into the TCO (Swedish Workers Union) website, you can find standards relating to ELF VLF magnetic and electrical fields exposure. http://www.tco.se/eng/ Thanks-

RE: ESAs certification to 95/54/EC

2002-06-25 Thread Chris Chileshe
More info - very good info I think - at http://www.rfi-wireless.com/pages/press/articles/ART014.htm Regards - Chris -Original Message- From: Fang Han [SMTP:f...@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:45 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:ESAs

RE: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Andrew Carson
I remember reading an article about this in New Scientist. After several years of operation they had found the Trees to either side of the antenna were growing taller and stronger than the rest of those in the Forest. Andrew Carson Senior Compliance Engineer Xyratex, UK -Original

RE: Class 2 Power Unit

2002-06-25 Thread McKinney, Alex
Here is the link to the scope on UL's website. http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/scopes/1310.html Regards, Alex McKinney Safety Engineer LXE, Inc. Tel: 770-447-4224 x3606 Fax: 770-447-6928 -Original Message- From: Brian McAuliffe [mailto:i...@mcac.ie] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002

SEMI - EN standards cross reference

2002-06-25 Thread Nick Williams
We've had an enquiry from someone who wants to sell CE marked semiconductor manufacturing plant to a location in the far east. They are hoping that they can find a way of correlating the EN standards which they have already applied for CE marking purposes to the SEMI standards which their

RE: Units, symbols

2002-06-25 Thread Peter Tarver
I don't have a copy, but if we were to refer to ISO 31-0:1992, I'm certain answers to these questions would be revealed. Abstract from the ISO web site: Gives general information about principles concerning physical quantities, equations, quantity and unit symbols, and coherent unit systems,

Class 2 Power Unit

2002-06-25 Thread Brian McAuliffe
Can anyone define, or point me to a definition of, a Class 2 Power Unit i.e. as covered by UL 1310. I know I could buy the standard to find out but .. Brian McAuliffe MCA Compliance Solutions Ltd Unit 2 Lissane Business Park|Clarecastle|Co.Clare|Ireland w: www.mcac.ie e: i...@mcac.ie t:

TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread georgea
Xing, Section 5.2.3 of IEC 60950 (2nd edition) shows how this measurement is made for Class II equipment. This should be the same in China's GB 4943? standard. See the paragraph near the end of 5.2.2 describing that for Class II, accessible conductive parts or metal foil wrapped around the

RE: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread Peter Merguerian
Xing, Look up Annex D of the IEC 60950 standard. This annex gives you two alternative methods for the measuring instrument (figures D.1 and D.2). Regards This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose,

Re: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Scott Douglas
Muriel, Don't know if there are any agency type regulations but can remember this issue came up when the government wanted to install a communications antenna in the north woods of Wisconsin. The antenna was to be used to communicate to submarines deep under water using something like 30 Hz

RE: case of units

2002-06-25 Thread Chris Chileshe
Spot on Tom! I have always stuck with lower case k - even when entering values in a database which is all in upper case! Of course, this scientific correctness lasts only a few days before someone spots my wonderful room temperature components, dips them in liquid nitrogen and the next thing I

RE: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread Peter Merguerian
Xing, Yes, 0.25mA is very strict for 950. However, I can assure you that depeding on the test lab and uncertainty of the test equipment, you will obtain slightly different results. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient,

Re: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread xingwb
Hi Mr. Peter: Our test lab receive a CB TEST REPORT FOR NATIONAL RECOGNIZATION, the EUT is a class II ac adapter having a bridging capacitor (4700pF)across the reinforced insulation The touch current measured by CB is 0.17mA(4700pF declared) but the value we measure is 0.28mA(4700pF) which

Re: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread xingwb
Dear SIRS: Thanks for your e-mail A further question for touch current: Is it (0.25mA) strict for Class II equipment ? 0.28mA rms is OK FOR IEC60065 0.28mA rms is not OK for IEC60950 Any comments are appreciated Best Regards XING WEIBING 2002-06-25 - Original Message -

Reminder - Joint EMC NPSS Meeting Tomorrow, June 26th

2002-06-25 Thread Matt Campanella
All, Our joint NPSS and EMC Society meeting tomorrow, June 26th, features two speakers. Due to the extensive technical program, the social hour with light refreshments will begin at 6:30 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:00 PM. The joint meeting will be held at EMC Corporation's

Re: case of units

2002-06-25 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Dear all, The capital W is probably a font translation error that was not spotted. I had much heart ache over this whenever I print something in a different computer. I have had much experience with entire documents that have the greek lower case m (micro=u=greak mu) being subsituted for a

Re: case of units

2002-06-25 Thread Cortland Richmond
Another interesting thing -- not the same as this -- is what happens to the upper-case Omega some documents use instead of spelling out ohms; some software turns it into W. I could have SWORN I'd see a 1000 W resistor on a modem card! Cortland --- This

Re: Class 2 Power Unit

2002-06-25 Thread John Barnes
Brian, The short answer is that a Class 2 Power Unit is what we would normally call a wall wart or a brick power supply. Clause 1.1 of UL 1310 (August 21, 1992) says: These requirements cover (1) direct plug-in Class 2 power units intended for connection to a 15-ampere nominal 120- or 240-volt

RE: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT

2002-06-25 Thread Robert Johnson
The history is lost in committee activities from years ago, but I can provide my own thoughts. The limit for accessible parts on circuits not connected to protective earth is set below the threshold of sensation, since that current is likely to pass through the user in normal use if he touches

Re: case of units

2002-06-25 Thread T.Sato
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:17:18 -0700, Robert Macy m...@california.com wrote: Still use KHz For me it's a logical carrier over from small letter = small value capital letter = large value SI units are originally described in The International System of Units (strictly, in French)

Re: Environmental question

2002-06-25 Thread Jacob Schanker
Muriel: I know of no such standards or recommendations. Unfortunately, if you could think to ask the question, someone else is eventually going to think that there should be such recommendations or regulations. Considering that the forest, lakes, land are bombarded with 1 kW per square meter of

Re: case of units

2002-06-25 Thread Doug McKean
Don, you're probably right in that it went the other way. My super and I had quite a laugh about it till some poor purchaser told us what was up. - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

Units, symbols

2002-06-25 Thread Chuck Mullett
Hi folks, I'm glad this subject came up, and am glad to offer some help. The subject of these units, notations, etc. has fascinated me for years, and finally I set about to get to the authoritative sources. Over the past couple of years, I've done the research and published the results. Here