Re: Replacements for Gas Tubes

2002-09-12 Thread Don_Borowski
It mostly comes down to how much protection you need and how much capacitance you can stand on the protected lines. MOVs come to mind, but they do have a fair amount of capacitance. There are other more complex ways to protect with diodes or other silicon devices. You may need to do a layered

Replacements for Gas Tubes

2002-09-12 Thread Scott Douglas
Hello Fellow Listees, I was gone for a while but I am back once again. And I have a question for the group. We use gas tubes in our products for protection against lightning and/or surge. We now have an edict to get them out of all of our products. So what does one use to provide similar

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Mike Rains
I'm thankful every time I start my car that water and electricity mix so well with lead sulfate to produce sulfuric acid. It saves a lot of hand cranking. - Original Message - From: Joe P Martin marti...@appliedbiosystems.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, September

EN 60825-1 and LEDs

2002-09-12 Thread richwoods
This question is addressed to those testing visual LED emissions to EN 60825-1. What test equipment are you using to measure the apparent source size? Given that LEDs are about 5 mm in diameter, LED fiber optic transmitters are about 2 mm in diameter and plastic fiber optic cable is about 1 mm in

RE: NEBS - Bonding and Grounding

2002-09-12 Thread David Heald
Dan, Read on below R9-20 and the requirement is clarified significantly. The requirements are DEFINITELY applicable to the outputs of your DC/DC converters (a.k.a. embedded DC power supplies): If your 48V feeds into a power supply circuit pack/module which then supplies the 3.3, 5, 12, etc...

RE: harmonic current on inverters for industrial uses in Japan

2002-09-12 Thread Jim Eichner
Hi Doug: Please let me know what you find out on this. I recently came across a reference to inverters, in searching the JEITA site for harmonic current limitation standards. That didn't make sense to me: an inverter is a DC-AC converter that has no connection to an AC source and draws no

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Don_Borowski
I missed the gist of the question the first time around. A common domestic application of water and electricity can be found in vaporizors. The devices are simply two electrodes at power line potential immersed in water. The active area is restricted a bit to keep the water from convecting

RE: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread George Stults
How about monitoring moisture in soil, where the resistance between two probes changes as function of the amount of moisture (water) present, due to the minerals/elecrolytes that get disolved by the water when present. This would be useful for figuring out when to water indoor plants, or perhaps

Electric + Water

2002-09-12 Thread Michael.Sundstrom
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RE: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Grasso, Charles
It only worked because of the high pollution levels in the Thames caused by the Industrial Revolution... :-D Sorry - Couldn't resist that Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email:

Surge Suppression in EU Power Supplies

2002-09-12 Thread Bryan . Cole
All, I am curious if anyone has information relating to the use or to the limitations of use of surge products located in power supplies or UPS products within the EU. Thanks, Bryan Cole Director of Engineering Product Safety Officer Emerson Network Power - Control Concepts Binghamton, New

harmonic current on inverters for industrial uses in Japan

2002-09-12 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Hello esteemed colleagues, I am searching for an English language version of a report writtne in Japanese, I already have the title translated: Calculation methods of harmonic current on inverters for industrial uses. JEM- TR 201 Can enayone help with location of this report in English?

RE: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Joe P Martin [mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:58 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Water + Electricity Greetings, A friend of mine is teaching elementary school students on the dangers of mixing water

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Hans Mellberg
Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) was first proved by placing electrodes across the Thames river and using Earth's magnetic field, a potential was measured due to the flow of water (containing naturally disolved ions ofcourse, or it wouldn't have worked!) I forgot who the scientist was, I want to say

RE: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Crabb, John
You can say that electricity in a bathroom can be dangerous, and in the UK, we are very cautious in this respect: You don't have a wall mounted light switch in a bathroom, it is either outside the room, or the light is operated by a pull cord operated switch on the ceiling. You are not allowed to

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread dave . osborn
Hello Joe, Also consider the industrial use of electroplating. Best regards, Dave Osborn PM-CMS Philips Medical Systems +1 978 659 3178 fax +1 978 685 5624 dave.osb...@philips.com

RE: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Gert Gremmen
One may remember the time that huge rotary variable capacitors where used (filled with salt water) to regulate the AC-motors on Disney resorts attractions. They were boiling all of the time. Lifting one set of plates reduced the current and the motors. This was definitely before the invention

RE: NEBS - Bonding and Grounding

2002-09-12 Thread Gary McInturff
If you have DC/DC bricks etc they will have the short condition tested. So yes, backplanes, PCA's etc. also are subjected to the test. Some of these bricks are handling 60 amps etc. Gary -Original Message- From: Roman, Dan [mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday,

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Don_Borowski
How about submersible pumps - used in wells, sumps, and even decorative water fountains. Another example would be immersion heaters, used from making a cup of tea to keeping stock tanks and bird baths from freezing. Joe P Martin marti...@appliedbiosystems.com on 09/11/2002 03:58:29 PM

NEBS - Bonding and Grounding

2002-09-12 Thread Roman, Dan
NEBS Gurus, Do the 1089 bonding and grounding DC short circuit tests apply down to the component level in a system or are they limited to the power supply or some other demarcation point? If it applies anywhere in the system it seems to me that you'd never finish testing. You'd have to test

EN 61000-3-2:2000

2002-09-12 Thread reheller
Clause 6.2.3.1 (page 13) of the above standard talks about repeatability. Does this mean that the harmonic tests must be repeated a certain numbers of times or is repeatability used to determine or shorten the test observation period? Also in Table Z1 (clause 6.2.4, page 14), what is the type of

Re: Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Art Michael
Hi Joe, Postive results from the mixing of water and electricity can be found in primitive desalinization techniques, and also as a means of generating small quantities of hydrogen for laboratory use. Level detection in water-containing vessels is another one as is the indirect heating of water

Water + Electricity

2002-09-12 Thread Joe P Martin
Greetings, A friend of mine is teaching elementary school students on the dangers of mixing water with electricity. However, he also wants to show examples of situations where water and electricity mix, yet does not cause a problem. Does anyone have any examples? Also, does anyone have a great