Certification process for 802.11B China, Chile and Brazil?
Hello (again) World Wide Regulatory Knowledge Base, What are the regulatory/certification requirements if any for Wireless LAN (2.4 GHz) 802.11B in China, Brazil and Chile? RICK LINFORD rlinf...@sonicwall.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
:--) Plus, isn't Chinese the most-spoken language in the world? [I am sure I will be corrected if wrong!] ;--) So having everyone else change to Chinese would inconvenience the least number of people? best regards, glyn This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Brazil Telecom Homologations
Jeffrey, For South American Approvals or any International Approvals, there are two EXPERTS you can contact at TUV Rheinland in Pleasanton, as follows: Ms. Joyce E. Nixon International Approvals Coordinator TUV Rheinland of North America Telecom Division 1279 Quarry Lane, Suite A Pleasanton, CA 94566 Ph 925-249-9123 x106 Fax 925-249-9124 jni...@us.tuv.com www.tuv.com OR Eduardo Lucio Villalon International Certification Specialist Product Safety and Quality Product Safety Division 1279 Quarry Lane, Suite A Pleasanton, CA 94566 USA Ph 925-249-9123 ext. 135 Fax: 925-249-9124 E-mail: elu...@us.tuv.com Website: http://www.tuv.com Best Regards, Peter Collins, Jeffrey jcoll...@ciena.com wrote: Group, Are you aware of any changes in Brazil telecom requirements effective in August of 2003, that will require: Conducted Emissions on the Telecom ports ? I'm currently using Res. 237 Nov 2002 for Cat-3 Equipment. ( EMC emissions and Conducted emissions on the Pwr Line) Also, can anyone recommend a company / consultant that specializes in Latin American South American telecom approvals? Brazil requires in-country testing for telecom products. Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Collins Sr. HW Engineering Manager EMC/ NEBS/ Reliability/ Safety CIENA Core Networking Division 5965 Silver Creek Valley Rd. San Jose, CA. 95138 (408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705 jcoll...@ciena.com http://www.ciena.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Commi! ttee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search http://us.rd.yah o.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.com - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
RE: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B
Thanks to all that replied. One comment: I looked at a manual from a similar product and in their manual ONLY the Manf name and address is listed. They did NOT include a person or a title. I guess that was the thrust of my question. I am trying to understand the details of the requirement. Is a persons name and title required? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: Grasso, Charles; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B FCC Rules, Part 2.909, defines the responsible party §2.909 Responsible party. - The following parties are responsible for the compliance of radio frequency equipment with the applicable standards: (a) In the case of equipment which requires the issuance by the Commission of a grant of equipment authorization, he party to whom that grant of authorization is issued (the grantee). If the radio frequency equipment is modified by any party other than the grantee and that party is not working under the authorization of the grantee pursuant to §2.929(b), the party performing the modification is responsible for compliance of the product with the applicable administrative and technical provisions in this chapter. (b) In the case of equipment subject to authorization under the verification procedure, the manufacturer or, in the case of imported equipment, the importer. If subsequent to manufacture and importation, the radio frequency equipment is modified by any party not working under the authority of the responsible party, the party performing the modification becomes the new responsible party. (c) In the case of equipment subject to authorization under the Declaration of Conformity procedure: (1) The manufacturer or, if the equipment is assembled from individual component parts and the resulting system is subject to authorization under a Declaration of Conformity, the assembler. (2) If the equipment, by itself, is subject to a Declaration of Conformity and that equipment is imported, the importer. (3) Retailers or original equipment manufacturers may enter into an agreement with the responsible party designated in paragraph (c)(1) or (c)(2) of this section to assume the responsibilities to ensure compliance of equipment and become the new responsible party. (4) If the radio frequency equipment is modified by any party not working under the authority of the responsible party, the party performing the modifications, if located within the U.S., or the importer, if the equipment is imported subsequent to the modifications, becomes the new responsible party. (d) If, because of modifications performed subsequent to authorization, a new party becomes responsible for ensuring that a product complies with the technical standards and the new party does not obtain a new equipment authorization, the equipment shall be labelled, following the specifications in §2.925(d), with the following: This product has been modified by [insert name, address and telephone number of the party performing the modifications]. Could be you, if the company assigns you the responsibility and authority to sign for them. Ghery Pettit From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:11 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B Hi all, The FCC requires the name and address for the responsible party. (akin to the EU signatory for the DoC) . Who would that be?? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org
Re: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B
Charles, The FCC requires the responsible party for compliance to be located in the US. Thus the responsible party will be: * Responsible for every unit that is marketed. * The manufacturer, if they are located in the US. * An importer who brings the units into the US. * An assembler in the US who assembles units from component parts. * Anybody who modifies the units from their original configuration, who is not under the authority of one of the above. * A retailer or original equipment manufacturer (OEM) who agrees to take over this responsibility from the manufacturer/importer. The responsible party must maintain all records concerning compliance, and must provide test samples or test data to the FCC upon request. See * http://www.necmitsubishi.com/css/Techlibrary/FCC.htm * http://www.hallikainen.com/cgi-bin/section.pl?section=68.3 * http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/filing/ead/doc.html John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, ESDC Eng, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Bulk current injection method for CS101
I am wondering if any of you have had experience using a current probe to inject current into a power line for a modified MIL-STD-461 CS101 test? I am trying to envision how I am going to run CS101 on a 150 Amp system without blowing up the test equipment amplifiers. I cannot use two identical transformers and two identical loads to help protect the amplifiers. Thanks Aaron Aaron S. Low Systems Engineer Naval Electronics and Surveillance Systems EP5 D5 MD45 Syracuse, NY 13221-4840 Phone: (315) 456-1203Fax: (315) 456-0509 This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B
Charles: When I was doing compliance for an employer, I always used my name, as Director of Regulatory Compliance. That way, any FCC correspondence would come to me instead of being lost on the desk of some executive who was clueless as to what the correspondence meant. Regards, Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. Consulting Engineer 65 Crandon Way Rochester, NY 14618 Tel: 585 442 3909 Fax: 585 442 2182 j.schan...@ieee.org - Original Message - From: Grasso, Charles mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B Hi all, The FCC requires the name and address for the responsible party. (akin to the EU signatory for the DoC) . Who would that be?? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org
Lightning coordination in K.20 (2000) versus GR-1089
Hello All: I have been studying the new 2000 edition of K.20, Resistibility of Telecommunication Equipment Installed in a Telecommunication Centre to Overvoltages and Overcurrents. There appears to be an important change from the previous edition that will have a big impact on line interface design. I would like to get some feedback on whether I am understanding this properly. The change that concerns me is that for test 2.1.2 (4000 volt surge on twisted pair phone lines), K.20 now requires that the primary protector *must* operate. If there is any kind of secondary overvoltage protection internal to the equipment under test (EUT), requirement 2.1.2 pretty much forces the EUT to contain series resistors in front of the internal protection. Otherwise, the internal protection will prevent the external primary protector from operating. The requirement for the primary protector to operate can be waived if the protection internal to the EUT itself meets the requirements for a primary protector. However, this includes passing the test of 2.1.5 with vaguely specified surges of 1000 amps per wire and (presumably) open circuit voltages of 4000 volts. I note that in Telcordia GR-1089, the requirement to coordinate with the primary protector can be waived if the EUT can survive a 10x1000 uS, 100 amp surge (clause 4.6.7.1 of the 2002 edition). This requirement is fairly easy to meet without using series resistors. I find it interesting that series resistors have never been required for compliance with GR-1089, which itself is a pretty rigorous standard, nor were they required for previous editions of K.20. Now, it appears that manufacturers must decide at the outset whether their GR-1089 compliant products might ever go into a market where K.20 compliance is required. If so, the resistors have to go in the design. The series resistors needed to pass the new K.20 requirement are not ordinary resistors. Typically, they are large, wirewound, surge tolerant, flameproof resistors with steady state ratings of several watts. Two of these per port on a high density, multiport board is a big hit on board area. Furthermore, the added resistance is very detrimental to some types of DSL transmission. In other words, this change in K.20 looks like it will have a big impact on line interface design. My questions are as follows: 1) Is my understanding of the new coordination requirement in K.20 correct? 2) Is there a simpler way to comply with the requirement other than using series resistors? 3) Has there been any industry feedback to the ITU complaining about the coordination requirement as presently written? 4) Is there evidence that the 10x1000 uS, 100 amp waiver in GR-1089 is inadequate, justifying the much more stringent waiver requirement in K.20? Any and all comments on the above would be most welcome. I'm just trying to make sense out of the new requirements. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
I read in !emc-pstc that Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote (in 01c304f8$70d7d7a0$78d5c6ac@oemcomputer) about 'EN61010-1, Symbol 14' on Thu, 17 Apr 2003: As an alternative, perhaps this group would work on the use of a universal, worldwide language (English, for instance) which would take care of this problem. Japanese or Chinese is much better. You only need two Kanji characters to convey a three-volume novel. (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Q. on responsible party for FCC CLass B
Hi all, The FCC requires the name and address for the responsible party. (akin to the EU signatory for the DoC) . Who would that be?? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org
Re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
Hi Richard: As you say, this web site provides a discussion on the exclamation symbol. However, the discussion is slanted in one direction that not everyone in the safety fraternity would necessarily subscribe to. For instance, I have seen the 'high voltage flash' sign used as a symbol in an internet cafe' - among other misuses. I'm sure that others have examples of symbols defined in IEC 60417 being misused: does this mean that they are no longer usable for safety purposes? The fact of misuse of symbols dilutes the meaning of the symbol. The more the misuse, the less valuable the symbol is for safety purposes. Multiple uses (or misuses) implies multiple meanings. Multiple meanings create confusion in the mind of the beholder. To quote the paper: The power of the safety alert symbol to highlight a safety concern is diluted when the symbol is used for a myriad of lesser tasks. Each non-safety appearance of the symbol produces an anti-teaching effect. We in the product safety industry must be very careful that we use symbols in strict accordance with their definitions. Perhaps you were not intending to endorse the viewpoint expressed? Please confirm. My comment was: For a history and discussion of this symbol, see: This was nothing more than a reference. I feel the reference provides some interesting and useful information in regard of the symbol. I would hope that my statement did not imply endorsement of the proposal presented in the document. I feel the article provides some reasonable ideas for general understanding of symbols along with specific criticisms of the safety alert symbol. I agree with some of the conclusions, but not all. Conclusion 1: Agree. Conclusion 2: Neutral, because the symbol is arbitrary. Conclusion 3: Not applicable; applies to lockout tags. Conclusion 4: Agree with first sentence; disagree with second sentence. Conclusion 5: Emphatically agree. Conslusion 6: Agree. Conclusion 7: Neutral, because this is a proposal. Conclusion 8: Not applicable to endorsement. I do not endorse the proposed international safety alert symbol presented in the paper. I would guess that few or none have endorsed the proposal as it is 2-1/2 years since publication of the paper and I have seen no movement for adoption. The characters (letters) that comprise this message are symbols. We arrange these symbols into words. Each word has a definition; some words have more than one definition. The more definitions a word has, the more chance for confusion as to which definition is applicable in a specific use. Indeed, the definition of words is taken only in the context of a sentence (a group of words) or even a paragraph (a group of sentences). Without a definition and a usage, a word is simply a group of letters. (Stare at one of these words for a few moments and you'll see what I mean.) (Actually, letters and words represent sounds that we utter. Misspelling of words without loss of the sound does not lose the meaning of the words. There is a famous poem about a pea sea spell-checker that demonstrates this concept. A symbol does not represent a sound that we utter; therefore, a symbol is highly subject to misunderstanding.) So, too, for safety and other non-word symbols. Each symbol has a definition. As with words, many of us simply don't look up the definition before we use the symbol (or word). Consequently, symbols are often misused. The more the misuse, the less useful the symbol (or word). Symbols usually don't represent a single word, but rather a phrase or even a complete sentence. Abstract and arbitrary symbols simply don't/can't have obvious definitions. For this reason, we in the safety industry must be very careful to only use safety symbols in strict accordance with their definition. A personal note: Having lived in Spain for almost two years, my wife and I had appliances with nothing but symbols on them. Not having grown up with these symbols as would a local person, we found ourselves quite confused by many of the symbols on our washing machine, dryer, dishwasher, TV, and stereo. Symbols are NOT a panacea for non-language conveyance of information. Nor do the comprise an international language. Best regards, Rich This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line.
RE: Brazil Telecom Homologations
Jeff, One possible contact is: Benjamim Da Silva Medeiros c. Galvao EMC Manager Integration and Testing Laboratory Instituto Nacional De Pesquisas Espaciais benja...@lit.inpe.br (e-mail) (55) 12 3945-6275 (phone) (55) 12 3941-1884 (fax) The Brazilian space agency EMC lab doesn't test very many space craft each year, so they also perform EMC and telecom testing for industry. They are located in Sao Jose dos Campos, about an hour drive outside Sao Paulo. We (members of the IEEE EMC Society Board of Directors) got a tour of their facility last November when we were in Sao Paulo for a meeting. The EMC capabilities are an older 10 meter chamber, a shielded room plus the usual stuff for the other tests. They have a brand new 10 meter chamber under construction that looks like it will be world class in all respects when finished. Multi-purpose, complete with dynamometer for testing automobiles. Send Benjamim a message asking about their test services. And, if you get a chance to accompany the EUT and witness the tests, go! The hospitality in Brazil is fantastic. Just leave plenty of time for getting your visa. At least you can drive up to SF to visit the consulate and handle the details. While you're down there, try a caipirinha. http://www.maria-brazil.org/caipirinha.htm for more information. Any time I smell limes I'm transported back to Brazil in a flash! Ghery S. Pettit Intel Corporation From: Collins, Jeffrey [mailto:jcoll...@ciena.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:30 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: RE: Brazil Telecom Homologations Group, Are you aware of any changes in Brazil telecom requirements effective in August of 2003, that will require: Conducted Emissions on the Telecom ports ? I'm currently using Res. 237 Nov 2002 for Cat-3 Equipment. ( EMC emissions and Conducted emissions on the Pwr Line) Also, can anyone recommend a company / consultant that specializes in Latin American South American telecom approvals? Brazil requires in-country testing for telecom products. Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Collins Sr. HW Engineering Manager EMC/ NEBS/ Reliability/ Safety CIENA Core Networking Division 5965 Silver Creek Valley Rd. San Jose, CA. 95138 (408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705 jcoll...@ciena.com http://www.ciena.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
Richard, et al; The use of 'universal' markings continues to be controversial. In order for markings to be universally accepted there needs to be considerable training as to the correct interpretation as to what the symbol means. This has been confirmed by several studies. Adding any symbol to a symbol library (e.g. IEC 60417, for example) is not sufficient training to get widespread recognition and understanding. Since I'm one of the guys who has pushed the Triodyne article as a point of view that shows that these symbols are not consistently used, I support the article and would like to see less use of symbols alone until there is a well trained, worldwide community of consumer users that understand the significance of the symbols. I favor combining symbols with language markings until this understanding is established. I know that this is a frustration to manufacturers but needs to be done. I know of several innovative ways to do this; it is not impossible. The use of local language markings is not negative when it comes to the consumer or user. These folks feel that any manufacturer who goes to the trouble to do such is really interested in their business. As an alternative, perhaps this group would work on the use of a universal, worldwide language (English, for instance) which would take care of this problem. Thanx to Rich N for pointing this out again. br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
Rich, As you say, this web site provides a discussion on the exclamation symbol. However, the discussion is slanted in one direction that not everyone in the safety fraternity would necessarily subscribe to. For instance, I have seen the 'high voltage flash' sign used as a symbol in an internet cafe' - among other misuses. I'm sure that others have examples of symbols defined in IEC 60417 being misused: does this mean that they are no longer usable for safety purposes? For international products, the alternative to using safety symbols as defined in IEC standards is text in multiple languages, and that in turn means big labels or lots of country-specific variants. Perhaps you were not intending to endorse the viewpoint expressed? Please confirm. Richard Hughes Safety Answers Limited. From: ri...@sdd.hp.com [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: 15 April 2003 00:01 To: bi...@fastwave.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14 For a history and discussion of this symbol, see: http://www.triodyne.com/SAFETY~1/sb_v17n2.pdf Best regards, Rich This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting Next Week on Wednesday, April 23
All, There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society meeting next week on Wednesday, April 23rd, at EMC Corporation's Customer Briefing Center at 42 South Street in Hopkinton, MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. This month’s topic, presented by Moe Lamothe, President of Lamothe Associates, concerns IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 changes between the first and second editions. Moe’s presentation will cover North American deviations and compare spacing requirements of 61010-1 1st edition, 61010-1 2nd edition, and 60950-1 1st edition. Moe is a registered Professional Engineer in Ontario, Canada and has provided companies with a professional product safety approvals service since founding Lamothe and Associates in 1979. Lamothe and Associates handle a variety of products with a heavy emphasis on Information Technology Equipment, Telephone Equipment, Test and Measurement Equipment, Medical Products, Signal Equipment Power Supplies. They emphasize the consulting aspect of their service rather than the testing side. They are the only service that has portable test equipment (which they designed and built) capable of performing the CSA/UL Telephone Power Cross Test and is a particular advantage for large or complex equipment that is best tested at the manufacturers facility. Further information about Moe and Lamothe Associates is available at their web site at http://www.lamothe-approvals.com/CVMoe.htm. The 2003 NPSS meeting schedule is available on the NPSS website at http://www.nepss.org/meetings/NPSS2003Calendar.htm. Further information about the Northeast Product Safety Society and how to become a member is available at http://www.nepss.org. You can also contact one of the NPSS officers via links at http://www.nepss.org/secretary/officers03.html. Directions: From Route 495 North or South take exit 21B to South Street. At the first traffic light, turn left (Note: This is on South direction side of Route 495). EMC Corporation is the second driveway on the right. Matt Campanella NPSS Secretary Compliance Engineer Motorola, Inc. Broadband Communications Sector 3 Highwood Drive East Tewksbury, MA 01876 (978) 858-2303 Direct (978) 858-2300 Main (978) 858-2399 Fax matthew.campane...@motorola.com email This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Brazil Telecom Homologations
Group, Are you aware of any changes in Brazil telecom requirements effective in August of 2003, that will require: Conducted Emissions on the Telecom ports ? I'm currently using Res. 237 Nov 2002 for Cat-3 Equipment. ( EMC emissions and Conducted emissions on the Pwr Line) Also, can anyone recommend a company / consultant that specializes in Latin American South American telecom approvals? Brazil requires in-country testing for telecom products. Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Collins Sr. HW Engineering Manager EMC/ NEBS/ Reliability/ Safety CIENA Core Networking Division 5965 Silver Creek Valley Rd. San Jose, CA. 95138 (408) 571-3002, Fax (408) 965-2705 jcoll...@ciena.com http://www.ciena.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
