Hi Peter,
While the NRTL program and NRTL approval is used by a variety of local
AHJs, employers and retailers, the program was developed by OSHA for
OSHA's purposes.
OSHA requires certain types of equipment
(http://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/prodcatg.html) to be approved by
an NRTL.
While there are no Federal laws requiring NRTL certification and marking of
electronic products there are laws in 16 States which require an NRTL mark for
mains connected electronic products...and laws in 4 other States which specify
consumer products only. CEA commissioned a State survey,
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This question comes up about every two years and what it boils down to is a
catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. In my opinion, it is better
to do regardless of how unbalanced these requirements are within the United
States. As long as you budget for it and your management understands
John, would you happen to have a link to that survey?
Ian Schroeder
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Echostar Technologies L.L.C.
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tyra, John
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:34 AM
To: 'Ron Wellman';
Hi all,
Regardless of the OSHA requirements already addressed within this list,
don't lose sight of the fact that there's The Law of Economics at play
here as well. I don't believe any major retailer (Walmart, Target, K-Mart,
Sears, etc.) will accept electrical/electronic products without
Hi,
Kevin (from OSHA) thank you very much!! And Ron, point well taken. We are a
consultancy and test lab and work with small to medium size companies that
don't have a clue and we get this question at least once a month. For
Household products there are no federal laws that I am aware of
John and all, thank you for a great feedback. The follow-up question is that
how about products that are sold outside consumer market and basically are sold
to professional market where their use and installation are done by
professionals. These types of products are not available through
I don't see where companies really have much of a choice as this is a legal
requirement in 20 States for Consumer products
From: Ron Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:27 AM
To: Tyra, John; peterh...@aol.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Mandatory
interesting aspects of this topic
1) Authorities Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) that has adopted the National
Electrical Code (NEC) also place a requirement for an NRTL mark on a device. So
while there maybe no state requirements there are AHJs (City, County,…)
requirements for devices to have an
Thanks William for the information.
I would like to add from the 918-306-0010 Overview that NTRL is only one of
three methods that can be used. Note that (c) is a Field Evaluation which is
generally performed to the requirements of the state or local electrical code.
I'm assuming Peter's
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soft.com, dated Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com
writes:
I?ve worked with low-volume and custom built-in equipment, and I would
recommend against having a field evaluation done by the AHJ.
Ted,
In an unrelated instance, one of my colleagues just had an occasion today to
discuss field evaluations with UL and was informed that they won't perform
field evaluations on equipment older than one year nor if the equipment does
not have a UL report.
Good day,
Richard Pittenger
Agency
For Consumer products I see your point, but what about test, measurement,
and laboratory equipment? These products are usually sold business to
business and it's really up to the Customer to decide if NRTL is required
for the sale.
Best regards,
Ron Wellman
From: Tyra, John
There is also the chance that the very expensive one-off piece equipment may be
damaged by the testing and disassembly it is subjected to in a field
inspection. Extra cost, time, and unsatisfied customer...
Brian Ceresney, CTech.
Regulatory Team Lead,
Delta-Q Technologies Corp.
3755 Willingdon
UL has two different services.
Field
Inspectionhttp://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/services/globalfieldservices/fieldservices/fieldinspections/
is to look at equipment that has a Listing report, but left the factory
without being UL marked. Field Inspection is done by an inspector who
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Adding more fuel to the fire, some AHJs demonstrate a preference for
certain NRTLs, meaning they place more credence in some NRTLs
certifications over others. This will not necessarily be found in writing.
If a product is a relatively new technology in a field,
I was unaware that UL certifications had a 1 year shelf life. That
statement from UL devalues UL certification in a big way.
At a previous employer, we had an environmental chamber moved to a building
that had been renovated before we moved in. The AHJ red tagged the
chamber, because it
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