Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message 003301cf73df$89a38510$9cea8f30$@cs.com, dated Mon, 19 May 2014, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes:   It's one thing to have a Directive which depends upon 'good faith' in some way - which the RoHS program has been depending upon for some years now - but to

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message d22e43ccd5394f3d829c9f5b5764a...@thhste15d1be4.hs20.net, dated Tue, 20 May 2014, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com writes: Compliance requirements are discussed on https://www.gov.uk/rohs-compliance-and-guidance   ?Due diligence? is the name of the game.   And from

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread Charlie Blackham
But these are valid in Britain only, not Europe-wide Yes, but there is (meant to be) co-ordination between enforcement bodies. It's NOT the percentage that matters; it's the actual mass of toxin. As it is, (1.1*X)% in a 1 g part is not allowed but X% of a 10 kg part IS allowed. Most EEE

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message 57e1de017da548f694a6d03394b38...@thhste15d1be4.hs20.net, dated Tue, 20 May 2014, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com writes: But these are valid in Britain only, not Europe-wide Yes, but there is (meant to be) co-ordination between enforcement bodies. It's NOT the

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Cotman
What makes even less sense is that RoHS has gone the % per homogeneous material route, whereas REACH limits are the %age by weight of the complete product. John C On 20 May 2014, at 14:08, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message c7ef2973-9b5b-45cd-b580-f46862671...@conformance.co.uk, dated Tue, 20 May 2014, John Cotman john.cot...@conformance.co.uk writes: What makes even less sense is that RoHS has gone the % per homogeneous material route, whereas REACH limits are the %age by weight of the complete

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread Crane, Lauren
One nuance of the RoHS challenge, is its potential impact to the used equipment market. As recent discussions here have shown, it's hard enough to 'prove' conformance for products currently in production. Even more so for used products that will be newly on the EU market (imported). Since it

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Cotman
Yes, equipment imported for own use does not need to be RoHS compliant as you say. What happens when the importer no longer needs it is an interesting question, though. It would seem that it can't legally be sold, but it can be thrown away. This is rather perverse, given that environmental

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message fc549dd1-1f68-46e1-baf5-463482b34...@conformance.co.uk, dated Tue, 20 May 2014, John Cotman john.cot...@conformance.co.uk writes: Yes, equipment imported for own use does not need to be RoHS compliant as you say. What happens when the importer no longer needs it is an interesting

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread Crane, Lauren
Of course, RoHS applies to all otherwise-in-scope second-hand products made at any time that are newly placed on the EU market (from a per-unit perspective, not a per-model line perspective). It has recently been interpreted (by Commission and other authorities) as prohibiting the resale of

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message e758c0fcde4a41f2b615646852fab...@blupr03mb119.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Tue, 20 May 2014, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com writes: Of course, RoHS applies to all otherwise-in-scope second-hand products made at any time that are newly placed on the EU market (from a

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread Dan Roman, N.C.E.
On 05/20/14, John Woodgatejmw@JMWA.DEMON.CO.UK wrote:At least it seems that the requirement to discard (dead) fish that shouldn't have been caught is being changed. Maybe someone, thinking no further than line fishing in a river, thought that if thrown back they would come alive again.I believe

Re: [PSES] RoHS on Hardware

2014-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
In message 29772537.1146244.1400616153990.JavaMail.root@vms170027, dated Tue, 20 May 2014, Dan Roman, N.C.E. danp...@verizon.net writes: I believe the reasoning for the fish is if they allowed fisherman to keep the by-catch they would have no incentive to avoid catching what they were not