Re: [PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread Ted Eckert
OSHA has published an FAQ with a little more information, although Brian's comments appear to be on target. (I'm still interested in hearing what his cat has to say on the subject.) https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtl_directive_faq.html I would offer my own comments, but they would likely

Re: [PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread Kevin Robinson
Hi Brian, You are correct that the NRTL Directive is 17025/17065 with "national differences". I am glad that was obvious in the first read as that was the approach that we were trying to take. I should have stated that the draft version of the NRTL directive is the latest iteration of a

Re: [PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread Brian O'Connell
Nothing that follows necessarily represents the opinions or policies of my employer or my dog; and certainly not my cat. Did a quick browse (ok, not so quick - took several hours for the transformer temp to stabilize). But will have to clear with senior management before more of my

Re: [PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread John Allen
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[PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread Kevin Robinson
Hello All, I wanted to advise you that the Draft NRTL Program Directive has been published on the OSHA website for public comment. We encourage you all to review the draft directive and to submit any questions, comments, revisions or concerns you may have to OSHA. In previous communications

Re: [PSES] Warning Label: Disconnect from Mains

2016-06-09 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
That is the procedure I prefer to follow on our products- try to stick with ANSI/ISO text-less pictograms on the product and include the pictogram and text/translations in the manuals. And hope they include the manual in the glove box for the rental car. It gives the co-pilot something to

Re: [PSES] CSA/cUL Certification

2016-06-09 Thread Pete Perkins
Amund, This topic seems to have languished for some time and, perhaps, you have resolved your question and are happily on your way toward North American certification. Since you mentioned multimedia A/V but not the particular EN standard I presume that you

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-09 Thread Richard Nute
> This is my recollection of where 240VA came from and > how it was used. In a 1966 UL meeting with industry on the requirements in UL 478, the minutes report: "Where high current is available at potentials down to about 2 volts, enough energy is available to melt and splatter metal from neck

Re: [PSES] Warning Label: Disconnect from Mains

2016-06-09 Thread Pete Perkins
Brian et al, This is a non-ending topic – hazard markings on equipment (note that WARNING is a specific key-word so I use the term hazard marking). It was a detailed discussion at the recent PSES ISPCE meeting in Anaheim (check the proceedings) . The crux of

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-09 Thread Richard Nute
> The 240VA "Energy Hazard" was not a > consideration for the protection against Fire but a limit > value for accessible parts by the User. The energy hazard requirement (in the 950-series standards) is that the conductors shall not be bridged by the test finger (which has a spherical tip). If

Re: [PSES] EU OJ today

2016-06-09 Thread Michael Derby
Thanks Charlie. I think you make a good point. The fact is that for the EMC Directive; using a harmonised standard on a presently valid OJ gives you presumption of conformity. Of course need to do a risk assessment that nothing has been missed out by your device being ahead of the

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-09 Thread Kunde, Brian
Ralph, This might be true but that is not how we saw it way back when. The 240VA "Energy Hazard" was not a consideration for the protection against Fire but a limit value for accessible parts by the User. We still today consider accessible circuits, regardless of the voltage, to be "Hazardous