[PSES] Goodbye

2012-01-03 Thread Price, Edward
This is just a short note to let all my friends on the EMC-PSTC list know that I am retiring, effective 3 January 2012. Yes, I finally made my decision, and soon I'll be no more than a puff of smoke on the horizon. It may sound overly sentimental, but the people on the EMC-PSTC list have

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-11-30 Thread Price, Edward
Amund: Start by looking at Ed Bronaugh's paper: http://www.ieee.org/organizations/pubs/newsletters/emcs/summer01/pp.bron augh.htm I might get an argument on this, but it's my opinion that a spread-spectrum clock does not solve any emission problems, other than providing easier

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
Tony: I don’t want to appear to be overly picky, but your diagrams don’t show “what happens to the emissions,” but rather show how the QP detector receiver “sees” the emissions. In a dithered, or frequency hopping clock, the clock hops to a frequency, dwells there for a short moment and

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
Don: I think that the spread spectrum clock works because of both the receiver bandwidth and the detector function. For instance, imagine a pure CW clock signal, and it is being hopped around in 1 kHz steps, all in the range of 10 kHz. Now imagine that a receiver with a 1 MHz resolution

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
But Albert was a Theoretician, not an Experimentalist. Doing the same thing over over may be boring, but every so often, something truly weird does happen, and these are the moments that illuminate (or incinerate). Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of don_borow...@selinc.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:58 AM To: Price, Edward Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Quasi-peak Ed- Given your scenario, you are right. However, in my experience of measuring radiated

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
Maybe Six!! YES NO MAYBE DON'T KNOW DON'T CARE How much money left in the budget? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com blocked::mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA

Re: [PSES] Quasi-peak

2011-12-03 Thread Price, Edward
I have never thought of myself as an EMC Crusader, although EMC Evangelist might apply. BTW, have I ever said how much I enjoy deciphering your sigs? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com blocked::mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Price, Edward
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GPS Signal Simulator

2008-05-07 Thread Price, Edward
Would anyone know of a source for a GPS signal simulator test set? I would like to be able to simulate the L1 and L2 RF signals from several satellites so as to be able to evaluate the performance of a GPS receiver. So far, I have found only two vendors: Spirent and CAST. Seems like with so many

Epoxy Bonding

2008-06-16 Thread Price, Edward
I'm curious about the effect of using a gold (or silver) loaded epoxy to bond a connector shell to a chassis box. If I measured a bond resistance of about 1 Ohm from the connector shell to the chassis, how could I estimate the degradation in shielding effectiveness (frequency range of interest is

RE: Epoxy Bonding

2008-06-17 Thread Price, Edward
On 16 Jun 2008 at 8:48, Price, Edward wrote: I'm curious about the effect of using a gold (or silver) loaded epoxy to bond a connector shell to a chassis box. If I measured a bond resistance of about 1 Ohm from the connector shell to the chassis, how could I estimate the degradation

RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile phone safety

2008-06-18 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tang, George Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:40 PM To: Reginald Henry; dw...@atcb.com; James, Chris; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: like your eggs raw /// mobile

RE: Power Spectral Density Measurement

2008-07-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:01 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Power Spectral Density Measurement Dear Members,

RE: Mode Tuned RS?

2008-07-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Cortland Richmond Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:11 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: cortland.richm...@ge.com Subject: Mode Tuned RS? I have a need to do DO-160/ED14 RS testing of a system with fairly large component EUT's. It seemed

RE: MIL-STD 461 vs. DSTAN 59-41

2008-07-01 Thread Price, Edward
About three years ago, I made a short table that lists the additional requirements of DF 59-41 beyond 461E. It's not up to date, what with DF 59-411 461F existing now, but it still might be of some interest. I have already sent a copy to Dave, but I will provide a copy to anyone else who would

HIRF Risk

2008-07-01 Thread Price, Edward
I have had a fair amount of experience in making sure that military systems can meet the MIL-STD-461 RS103 requirement of 200 V/M. However, we are now seeing system requirements for levels from MIL-STD-464 (and other places). These new requirements invoke immunity to levels such as 8 GHz to 10 GHz

RE: HIRF Risk

2008-07-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: HIRF Risk In message c48fcc88.204d4%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:  

RE: Low Loss Coax Cable

2008-07-15 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kunde, Brian Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Low Loss Coax Cable What coax cable types do you

RE: Commercial EMI test software, need opinions on

2008-07-22 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:57 PM To: Untitled Subject: Commercial EMI test software, need opinions on Forum Members,

RE: monopole recommendations

2008-08-14 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Julian Jones Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:36 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: monopole recommendations we need to get a back up for

RE: monopole recommendations

2008-08-14 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:32 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: monopole recommendations Ed is correct. The antenna factor of the 95010-1 is 8 dB/m when configured for

RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?)

2008-08-18 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Shinn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:35 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: RF What-if (was: RE: Another Cancer Scare?) Take a look at this. http://tinyurl.com/69na9 Regards, John

RE: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy

2008-08-21 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Connell Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:14 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy Attending puts you at the risk of conversion to a heretical

RE: Immunity of commercial equipment to radar at frequencies over 5 GHz

2008-09-30 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John McAuley Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:18 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Immunity of commercial equipment to radar at frequencies over 5 GHz

RE: Shielding setup for conducted emission prescans

2008-09-30 Thread Price, Edward
Don't forget to include a low-pass filter for the AC powerline where it enters your shielded work area. Another alternative might be to find a used TEM or GTEM cell. It will give you shielding, plus you can also do radiated emission and immunity pre-scans too. Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com

RE: DO-160 Section 15 - Calibration of Compass

2008-10-02 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Luke Turnbull Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:30 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: DO-160 Section 15 - Calibration of Compass Hi all,

RE: Microwave Oven Interference with 2.4Ghz Wireless LAN

2008-10-06 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kunde, Brian Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:55 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: Microwave Oven Interference with 2.4Ghz Wireless LAN I have just received and interesting call from our IT guys in our

RE: Airborne Missile Protection System for Helicopters in Iraq

2008-10-22 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Loerzer Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:49 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Airborne Missile Protection System for Helicopters in Iraq

British MoD Crystal Ball

2008-10-28 Thread Price, Edward
I'm currently using the British MoD DEF STAN 59-41 in a couple of programs. Both are Army Land equipments, so the Method DRE03.3 test method is invoked. The purpose of the DRE03.3 requirement is to ensure radiated emission protection to the CLANSMAN radio system. However, the CLANSMAN is pretty

RE: unloaded motors - EMC testing

2008-10-30 Thread Price, Edward
Curtis: For the testing of Military systems, I always look for the worst possible, yet normal mode of operation. Sometimes a power supply will be noisier at little load than at high load, so we usually test it at 10%, 50% and 100% loading. Electromechanical devices are operated as close to

HP Hardware Update

2008-10-30 Thread Price, Edward
This isn't an ad, just info about a test hardware resource. All the usual disclaimers. I'm sending this as an FYI to owners of old HP spectrum or network analyzers. I have an HP-8562A spectrum analyzer that is a very valued resource, but the display CRT is nearing the end of its life (it's dim

RE: Test setup for equipment operated intermittently

2008-11-13 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of pat.law...@slpower.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:43 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test setup for equipment operated intermittently

RE: GIFS on the EMC-PSTC list

2008-11-14 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Bacher Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:44 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: GIFS on the EMC-PSTC list Gif's, large files, etc. can be posted on: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc

RE: EMI Receivers

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of michael.na...@emerson.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMI Receivers An instrument, IMHO, should not primarily named by its application. In this

RE: EMI Receivers - Now Terminology

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:08 AM To: Untitled Subject: Re: EMI Receivers With this sloppy terminology, rife in the

RE: EMI Receivers - Now Terminology

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:08 AM To: Untitled Subject: Re: EMI Receivers Second, please folks, there is no

FW: EMI Receiver

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:00 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EMI Receiver Hi All

RE: EMI Receiver

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:47 AM To: Untitled Subject: Re: EMI Receiver This may be one of those usage differences that occur on opposite sides of the Pond. After all, what we in

DC Coupled Amplifier

2008-12-01 Thread Price, Edward
I would like to get a modest capability to do some of the ramped power quality tests defined in MIL-STD-704. Typically, I would want to be able to apply various DC voltage inputs to a test specimen, and then slew those voltages following the typical dV/dT requirements. Typical exposures might be

RE: EMI Receiver

2008-12-02 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Eichner Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:03 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMI Receiver Indeed, however while I too may be losing the will to live, I still have the will to search

RE: possible power line cause of recent San Diego fires

2008-12-03 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Connell Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:47 PM To: 'Emc-Pstc' Subject: RE: possible power line cause of recent San Diego fires Update I have removed the systems and have moved from

RE: High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

2008-12-04 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:56 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

RE: Radiated emission - time at each frequency

2008-12-04 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Amund Westin Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:56 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Radiated emission - time at each frequency When

RE: Radiated emission - time at each frequency

2008-12-04 Thread Price, Edward
-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: The simplistic answer is that you should dwell at a frequency long enough for the detector to respond to any emission that occurs. It's a base rumour that some regulatory test houses dwell until they get

Cables On The Floor

2008-12-09 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:23 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; Luke Turnbull; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mobile Phones in EMC Labs

RE: Cables On The Floor

2008-12-10 Thread Price, Edward
, dated Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: You would think that the odds of stepping on the cable would be 285 to 1. You might, initially, but think about this. To make the math easier, assume a square room and 289 footprints (17^2). So there are 24 footprints along

RE: Mobile Phones in EMC Labs

2008-12-10 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:10 AM To: Luke Turnbull; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mobile Phones in EMC Labs

RE: EMC Eduction and Training

2008-12-16 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Cortland Richmond Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:11 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC Eduction and Training That is the argument I used at Wang. How much do you make us every year?

RE: EMC Eduction and Training

2008-12-16 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kunde, Brian Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: EMC Eduction and Training Hey, lets think about this for

RE: iNARTE PS or IEEE

2009-01-12 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ted Eckert Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:57 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: iNARTE PS or IEEE I am both an IEEE

RE: Electrical product recall request

2009-01-13 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pickard, Ron Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:56 AM To: Scott Xe Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Electrical product recall request

RE: Anechoic Chamber: Pass-through vs. Bulkhead

2009-01-13 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of cmander...@micron.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:50 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Anechoic Chamber: Pass-through vs. Bulkhead

RE: Cigarette socket in vehicles

2009-01-19 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rk...@chrysler.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:37 AM To: Scott Xe Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Cigarette socket in vehicles

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Spencer, David H Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:58 AM To: Ralph McDiarmid; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ralph, ANSI C63.4 also has the procedure: Section

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
, January 27, 2009 10:15 AM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I agree, and I've verified that with the LISN(s) I use there is no impact; however, ANSI C63.4, E1, b) states that unless it can be shown that the RF filters do not impact

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
.corp.cubic.cub, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: But isn't it the purpose of the AMN to present an impedance to the EUT which is unaffected by whatever unknown impedance exists at the source of the power? Yes, but the calibration process has to include

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
Message- From: Spencer, David H [mailto:david.spen...@xerox.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:46 AM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I've seen white board presentations at the IEEE Symposia, that suggest that the AC mains

RE: [PSES] LISN Calibration

2009-02-10 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:02 AM To: John Woodgate Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] LISN Calibration