VCCI-3 Emissions Equivalent
Which edition of CISPR22 is the current VCCI-3 (Emissions) equivalent to? I know that VCCI-3 has added the telecommunications port conducted emissions test requirement and the 1-6GHz radiated emissions test requirement, so it must be equivalent to at least CISPR22:2005+A1:2005. However, these features were added to VCCI-3 in last 2008, so they may have added additional amendments or even chosen to jump to CISPR22:2008.(Edition 6.0 that was published in September 2008). Thanks. -- Monrad L. Monsen Worldwide Compliance Officer Sun Microsystems monrad.mon...@sun.com 303.272.9612 Office - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: VCCI Market Sampling Request
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:53:17 EDT, emcp...@aol.com wrote: I have a question on the VCCI market sampling requests from VCCI. A company has received a request for VCCI to send their product to Japan an d they will test it to verify it meets the requirements. The company never did sell this product to Japan and they never plan to. They just registered this product when getting the original approvals to save time and money. Does anyone have an experience with this? Since they do not sell in Japan, can they request to de-register this product without causing future problems with other product approvals? RULES FOR MARKET SAMPLING TESTS Article 5 says: Members must not refuse to consent without justifiable reasons: The member shall; 1) provide the target ITE ... but I don't know what is justifiable reason. However, I think at least the manufacturer have chance to negotiate with the VCCI - and if the VCCI agreed that the manufacturer have justifiable reason to refuse the sampling request, maybe the product can be exempted from the sampling with no penalty. It is the VCCI who can decide that - I would recommend to ask them. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
VCCI Market Sampling Request
Hi Group, I have a question on the VCCI market sampling requests from VCCI. A company has received a request for VCCI to send their product to Japan and they will test it to verify it meets the requirements. The company never did sell this product to Japan and they never plan to. They just registered this product when getting the original approvals to save time and money. Does anyone have an experience with this? Since they do not sell in Japan, can they request to de-register this product without causing future problems with other product approvals? Thanks, Tim Pierce TAP Engineering What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood0008 for any occasion. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
VCCI logo in dxf format
Dear Members, We are trying to emboss the VCCI logo in the plastic casing of an ITE product and we need VCCI logo in dxf format. From the VCCI official website we are able to get the eps jpg format only but we are not able to create the logos properly with these files. May I request the forum members help in this regard. If somebody can provide me the dxf file it will be of great use to us. Thanking you in advance K. Bala SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI logo in dxf format
The eps is in vector format, the jpg is in rastor format. If you do not receive the logo in dxf format from a list member, go to www.google.com and type eps to dxf in the search bar. There are several freeware converters available. Scott B. Lacey On 27 May 2008 at 19:40, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in wrote: Dear Members, We are trying to emboss the VCCI logo in the plastic casing of an ITE product and we need VCCI logo in dxf format. From the VCCI official website we are able to get the eps jpg format only but we are not able to create the logos properly with these files. May I request the forum members help in this regard. If somebody can provide me the dxf file it will be of great use to us. Thanking you in advance K. Bala SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
VCCI approvals for AC/DC adapter
Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me why we don't see VCCI logo on many AC/DC adapters on the market? Thanks Pete Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap000304 : America's #1 Mapping Site. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI approvals for AC/DC adapter
Pete, VCCI is voluntary and it applies to ITE equipment as a system, not power adaptors. AC/DC power adaptors are covered under the Denan law and must meet RFI (emissisions only) and safety and be marked with the PSE Mark. Peter peterh...@aol.com wrote: Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me why we don't see VCCI logo on many AC/DC adapters on the market? Thanks Pete Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap000304 : America's #1 Mapping Site. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
VCCI
Can you apply a VCCI mark to your product as a Rank D supporting member of VCCI? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification
Alex, With respect to Australia, Ron Pickard is pretty much correct. Firstly, the EMC regulations in Australia place the responsibility for compliance with the local manufacturer of a device or the importer of the device. Australian product compliance regulations, including those for EMC, are based upon the local manufacturer or importer signing a Declaration of Conformity. The only way the local manufacturer or importer may delegate that responsibility is to appoint and agent by written agreement as described in the ACMA web page at the following link: http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_2067 A product Compliance Folder must be established and must include product information and test reports as detailed by the EMC regulations. For an ITE device the test report would need to state compliance with either AS/NZS CISPR 22 or CISPR 22 (to 240V) or EN 55022. The device should comply with Class B limits unless it can be sufficiently justified that the device will not normally be installed/used within 10 metres or a broadcast receiver (i.e. in a domestic environment). One major correction to the advice from Ron is that the test report can be from any reputable test house HOWEVER, having said that, the best way to minimise the risk/liabilities and maximise the chances of a successful audit by the ACMA (ACMA conduct random audits of organization's Compliance Folders) is to ensure that, for EMC, any test report included in a product Compliance Folder be from a test house that is accredited by an accrediting organization with whom NATA (Australian accrediting body) has a MRA (Mutual Recognition Agreement). The 4 basic rules of product compliance in Australia are: * satisfy yourself the product complies with the requirements; * establish a product Compliance Folder and include all documentation required by the regulations and used to satisfy yourself and demonstrate the product complies; * sign a Declaration of Conformity (DoC); and * label the product with the A-Tick or C-Tick as appropriate and the supplier's registered identify (usually the Supplier Code Number issued by the ACMA to the supplier of the product [i.e. local manufacturer or importer]) Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2007 11:17 AM To: 'Alex Horvath' Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification Alex, For Australia, emissions testing to ITE products needs to be performed against AZ/NZS CISPR 22 (Australian New Zealand national standard), which means that if an Australian compliance folder is audited and contains a CISPR 22 based test report, it may be rejected for two reasons, [1] when the then ACA started accepting CISPR 22 reports, but required testing be performed at 240V line voltage (testing to FCC15B requires testing at 120V and EN55022 requires 230V) and [2]testing needs to be performed at a NATA accredited test lab if a lab quality system MRA is not in place. I believe these are still requirements (someone on the list please verify that). Please note that C-tick approval is a self-declaration scheme managed by the ACMA, but a valid SDofC can only be completed by a registered company in Australia. As for VCCI, to claim VCCI compliance, your company must first become a VCCI member. Otherwise, VCCI compliance cannot be claimed, but I believe EMC compliance in Japan to be voluntary otherwise. And, see below for my short answers to your questions. I hope this was hopeful. Best regards, Ron Pickard ronpick...@cox.net _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Alex Horvath Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:52 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification Hi, I work for an equipment manufacturer. Initially, we had a product tested to FCC Part 15 and EN55022, EN55024. Subsequently we needed C-Tick and VCCI
RE: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification
Ron, Testing at a NATA accredited laboratory (RTA) is not required for C-Tick but yes for A-Tick. Peter Merguerian Ron Pickard ronpick...@cox.net wrote: Alex, For Australia, emissions testing to ITE products needs to be performed against AZ/NZS CISPR 22 (Australian New Zealand national standard), which means that if an Australian compliance folder is audited and contains a CISPR 22 based test report, it may be rejected for two reasons, [1] when the then ACA started accepting CISPR 22 reports, but required testing be performed at 240V line voltage (testing to FCC15B requires testing at 120V and EN55022 requires 230V) and [2]testing needs to be performed at a NATA accredited test lab if a lab quality system MRA is not in place. I believe these are still requirements (someone on the list please verify that). Please note that C-tick approval is a self-declaration scheme managed by the ACMA, but a valid SDofC can only be completed by a registered company in Australia. As for VCCI, to claim VCCI compliance, your company must first become a VCCI member. Otherwise, VCCI compliance cannot be claimed, but I believe EMC compliance in Japan to be voluntary otherwise. And, see below for my short answers to your questions. I hope this was hopeful. Best regards, Ron Pickard ronpick...@cox.net _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Alex Horvath Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:52 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification Hi, I work for an equipment manufacturer. Initially, we had a product tested to FCC Part 15 and EN55022, EN55024. Subsequently we needed C-Tick and VCCI certification. The test lab told me that the original test report is all that is needed, the only additional step is registration (we have submitted the report to VCCI and the lab is acting as agent for C-Tick). I'm not sure what if any feedback we will receive from VCCI and the C-Tick agent. At what point can we claim VCCI and C-Tick certification? Also, we switched to a more customer oriented test lab (I have to ask these questions here because our old lab has very poor customer service and I hate to ask our new lab about the old labs failures) and they generated Attestation of Conformance certificates in the reports for our newer product. The VCCI and C-Tick reports they generated list the standards as AZ/NZS CISPR 22 and VCCI CISPR 22. The rest of the C-Tick, VCCI looks similar to the FCC/CE reports except that there are some letters included that look like they confer some qualification to the lab for various countries. I guess my questions are- If you have a product tested to FCC/CE only can you later claim certification for C-Tick and VCCI for example based on the original report (assuming registration of the report in those countries of course)? What does the presence of the standard AZ/NZS CISPR 22, VCCI CISPR 22 in the newer report really mean and are thsoe reports necessary to claim certification in those countries? Thanks, sorry about the neophyte questions but I find hard to get a straight answer from our old lab. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http //surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 and lay it on us. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message
RE: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification
Alex, For Australia, emissions testing to ITE products needs to be performed against AZ/NZS CISPR 22 (Australian New Zealand national standard), which means that if an Australian compliance folder is audited and contains a CISPR 22 based test report, it may be rejected for two reasons, [1] when the then ACA started accepting CISPR 22 reports, but required testing be performed at 240V line voltage (testing to FCC15B requires testing at 120V and EN55022 requires 230V) and [2]testing needs to be performed at a NATA accredited test lab if a lab quality system MRA is not in place. I believe these are still requirements (someone on the list please verify that). Please note that C-tick approval is a self-declaration scheme managed by the ACMA, but a valid SDofC can only be completed by a registered company in Australia. As for VCCI, to claim VCCI compliance, your company must first become a VCCI member. Otherwise, VCCI compliance cannot be claimed, but I believe EMC compliance in Japan to be voluntary otherwise. And, see below for my short answers to your questions. I hope this was hopeful. Best regards, Ron Pickard ronpick...@cox.net _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Alex Horvath Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:52 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification Hi, I work for an equipment manufacturer. Initially, we had a product tested to FCC Part 15 and EN55022, EN55024. Subsequently we needed C-Tick and VCCI certification. The test lab told me that the original test report is all that is needed, the only additional step is registration (we have submitted the report to VCCI and the lab is acting as agent for C-Tick). I'm not sure what if any feedback we will receive from VCCI and the C-Tick agent. At what point can we claim VCCI and C-Tick certification? Also, we switched to a more customer oriented test lab (I have to ask these questions here because our old lab has very poor customer service and I hate to ask our new lab about the old labs failures) and they generated Attestation of Conformance certificates in the reports for our newer product. The VCCI and C-Tick reports they generated list the standards as AZ/NZS CISPR 22 and VCCI CISPR 22. The rest of the C-Tick, VCCI looks similar to the FCC/CE reports except that there are some letters included that look like they confer some qualification to the lab for various countries. I guess my questions are- If you have a product tested to FCC/CE only can you later claim certification for C-Tick and VCCI for example based on the original report (assuming registration of the report in those countries of course)? What does the presence of the standard AZ/NZS CISPR 22, VCCI CISPR 22 in the newer report really mean and are thsoe reports necessary to claim certification in those countries? Thanks, sorry about the neophyte questions but I find hard to get a straight answer from our old lab. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Test report requirements for C-Tick, VCCI, etc. certification
Hi, I work for an equipment manufacturer. Initially, we had a product tested to FCC Part 15 and EN55022, EN55024. Subsequently we needed C-Tick and VCCI certification. The test lab told me that the original test report is all that is needed, the only additional step is registration (we have submitted the report to VCCI and the lab is acting as agent for C-Tick). I'm not sure what if any feedback we will receive from VCCI and the C-Tick agent. At what point can we claim VCCI and C-Tick certification? Also, we switched to a more customer oriented test lab (I have to ask these questions here because our old lab has very poor customer service and I hate to ask our new lab about the old labs failures) and they generated Attestation of Conformance certificates in the reports for our newer product. The VCCI and C-Tick reports they generated list the standards as AZ/NZS CISPR 22 and VCCI CISPR 22. The rest of the C-Tick, VCCI looks similar to the FCC/CE reports except that there are some letters included that look like they confer some qualification to the lab for various countries. I guess my questions are- If you have a product tested to FCC/CE only can you later claim certification for C-Tick and VCCI for example based on the original report (assuming registration of the report in those countries of course)? What does the presence of the standard AZ/NZS CISPR 22, VCCI CISPR 22 in the newer report really mean and are thsoe reports necessary to claim certification in those countries? Thanks, sorry about the neophyte questions but I find hard to get a straight answer from our old lab. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI
Correction: It should be maximum permissive value, not permissive value. On 6/6/07, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com wrote: Bill, Please ignore the upper as mentioned in Jiro's response. This is a translation error. The original text in Japanese means permissive value, which means limit in English. In Chinese and Japanese, if translated word-by-word, it becomes upper limit which means limit in English. I hope this clarifies your confusion. Grace On 6/5/07, Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote: Dear group, I had a question as to the meaning of upper in V-3/2007.04 clause 1. The response I received from VCCI is below, which also clarifies the implementation of the telecom port conducted testing requirement. Best regards, Bill stumpf DLS Electronic Systems, Inc. 262-279-0210 Dear Bill Stumpf, I'm Jiro Kawano, Technical Manager. It is surely misunderstanding the word upper. Please neglect the word upper, the meaning is unchanged I think. Yes, now is the consideration period for Telecom Port Conducted Measurement. In this time frame, will mandatory from three years after, 2010 April, but not confirm now. Regards, *** VCCI Office Jiro Kawano 81-3-5575-3138 Fax 81-3-5575-3137 e-mail kaw...@vcci.or.jp From: mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org ] On Behalf Of T.Sato Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:01 AM To: emcp...@aol.com Cc: mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:24:55 EDT, emcp...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know when Japan (VCCI) will require telecom port conducted emission testing for Ethernet ports on ITE? I believe VCCI and FCC are supposed to adopt the new CISPR standards. Yes, VCCI already adopted CISPR 22:2005. However, at this time, in the Technical requirements V-3/2007.04 clause 1, they wrote: Enforcement of upper limits of conducted disturbance at the telecommunication ports is under consideration. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: mailto:emc-p...@daveheald.com emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI
Bill, Please ignore the upper as mentioned in Jiro's response. This is a translation error. The original text in Japanese means permissive value, which means limit in English. In Chinese and Japanese, if translated word-by-word, it becomes upper limit which means limit in English. I hope this clarifies your confusion. Grace On 6/5/07, Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote: Dear group, I had a question as to the meaning of upper in V-3/2007.04 clause 1. The response I received from VCCI is below, which also clarifies the implementation of the telecom port conducted testing requirement. Best regards, Bill stumpf DLS Electronic Systems, Inc. 262-279-0210 Dear Bill Stumpf, I'm Jiro Kawano, Technical Manager. It is surely misunderstanding the word upper. Please neglect the word upper, the meaning is unchanged I think. Yes, now is the consideration period for Telecom Port Conducted Measurement. In this time frame, will mandatory from three years after, 2010 April, but not confirm now. Regards, *** VCCI Office Jiro Kawano 81-3-5575-3138 Fax 81-3-5575-3137 e-mail kaw...@vcci.or.jp From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org ] On Behalf Of T.Sato Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:01 AM To: emcp...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:24:55 EDT, emcp...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know when Japan (VCCI) will require telecom port conducted emission testing for Ethernet ports on ITE? I believe VCCI and FCC are supposed to adopt the new CISPR standards. Yes, VCCI already adopted CISPR 22:2005. However, at this time, in the Technical requirements V-3/2007.04 clause 1, they wrote: Enforcement of upper limits of conducted disturbance at the telecommunication ports is under consideration. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI
Dear group, I had a question as to the meaning of upper in V-3/2007.04 clause 1. The response I received from VCCI is below, which also clarifies the implementation of the telecom port conducted testing requirement. Best regards, Bill stumpf DLS Electronic Systems, Inc. 262-279-0210 Dear Bill Stumpf, I'm Jiro Kawano, Technical Manager. It is surely misunderstanding the word upper. Please neglect the word upper, the meaning is unchanged I think. Yes, now is the consideration period for Telecom Port Conducted Measurement. In this time frame, will mandatory from three years after, 2010 April, but not confirm now. Regards, *** VCCI Office Jiro Kawano 81-3-5575-3138 Fax 81-3-5575-3137 e-mail kaw...@vcci.or.jp From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of T.Sato Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:01 AM To: emcp...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:24:55 EDT, emcp...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know when Japan (VCCI) will require telecom port conducted emission testing for Ethernet ports on ITE? I believe VCCI and FCC are supposed to adopt the new CISPR standards. Yes, VCCI already adopted CISPR 22:2005. However, at this time, in the Technical requirements V-3/2007.04 clause 1, they wrote: Enforcement of upper limits of conducted disturbance at the telecommunication ports is under consideration. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Telecom Port Testing For VCCI
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:24:55 EDT, emcp...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know when Japan (VCCI) will require telecom port conducted emission testing for Ethernet ports on ITE? I believe VCCI and FCC are supposed to adopt the new CISPR standards. Yes, VCCI already adopted CISPR 22:2005. However, at this time, in the Technical requirements V-3/2007.04 clause 1, they wrote: Enforcement of upper limits of conducted disturbance at the telecommunication ports is under consideration. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Telecom Port Testing For VCCI
Hi All, Does anyone know when Japan (VCCI) will require telecom port conducted emission testing for Ethernet ports on ITE? I believe VCCI and FCC are supposed to adopt the new CISPR standards. Thanks, Tim Pierce _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI-NVLAP, Site Registration MOU Status?
Hi Eric, You may wish to contact Jiro Kawano (kaw...@vcci.or.jp), the VCCI technical manager, for clarification. If you haven't received a clarification by the time the 2006 IEEE Symposium on EMC held in the coming August, you may have a chance to talk to the person who reviews VCCI site registration applications during the Symposium. He attended the IEEE Symposium for the last several years. Good Luck! Best regards, Grace Lin On 6/17/06, Eric Lifsey regula...@relia.net wrote: Dear Peers, Summary: Has anyone an authoritative and current word on the state of the NVLAP/VCCI MOU/MRA? In early March 2006 a VCCI person informed me that a MOU with NVLAP was to be in place by the end of that month. Indeed, the subsequent annual April update of the VCCI regulations showed NVLAP added to the accreditation bodies - with some vague phrase about when notification occurs. Last month I arranged for VCCI technical requirements to be added to our NVLAP accreditation scope in preparation for some upcoming and overdue site registrations. All seemed to be going smoothly... Then this week, in an email exchange with VCCI I was informed that the MOU did not happen yet and may not for a few months. Resolving this is important with regard to VCCI site registration fees: the old scheme costs money, the accreditation site registration scheme has no fees (and presumably, much faster). I have at least 5 sites to register for my employer real soon now, including our recently acquired 10 meter semi-anechoic facility. So the registration method will involve thousands of dollars and many hours of work if I the accreditation route is not available soon. Best Regards, Eric Lifsey - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
VCCI-NVLAP, Site Registration MOU Status?
Dear Peers, Summary: Has anyone an authoritative and current word on the state of the NVLAP/VCCI MOU/MRA? In early March 2006 a VCCI person informed me that a MOU with NVLAP was to be in place by the end of that month. Indeed, the subsequent annual April update of the VCCI regulations showed NVLAP added to the accreditation bodies - with some vague phrase about when notification occurs. Last month I arranged for VCCI technical requirements to be added to our NVLAP accreditation scope in preparation for some upcoming and overdue site registrations. All seemed to be going smoothly... Then this week, in an email exchange with VCCI I was informed that the MOU did not happen yet and may not for a few months. Resolving this is important with regard to VCCI site registration fees: the old scheme costs money, the accreditation site registration scheme has no fees (and presumably, much faster). I have at least 5 sites to register for my employer real soon now, including our recently acquired 10 meter semi-anechoic facility. So the registration method will involve thousands of dollars and many hours of work if I the accreditation route is not available soon. Best Regards, Eric Lifsey - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: VCCI
Derek: If the Lab is asking you what the procedure is for obtaining VCCI accreditation, I suggest you find another lab. However, for information on becoming a member and an accredited laboratory, go to http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/index.html and all the information is in the upper left corner of the page. Just takes money and time. John Shinn, P.E. Manager, Laboratory Operations Sanmina-SCI _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:55 PM To: IEEE EMC Discussion Group Subject: VCCI Good morning all, I have been asked by a lab what the procedure is to gain VCCI approval for the testing they perform. Can anyone outline the process please -- Cheers, Derek Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA _ Scanned by Sanmina-SCI eShield - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _ Scanned by Sanmina-SCI eShield - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:54:43 -0500, Derek Walton lfresea...@aol.com wrote: I have been asked by a lab what the procedure is to gain VCCI approval for the testing they perform. Can anyone outline the process please Send completed application to VCCI and register the test facilities (it is somekind similar to filing to FCC), and pay annual and admission fee. Visit http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/ for more information. Regards, Tom Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
VCCI
Good morning all, I have been asked by a lab what the procedure is to gain VCCI approval for the testing they perform. Can anyone outline the process please -- Cheers, Derek Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Antwort: VCCI testing above 1 GHz
Dear Don, as long as the technical requirements in V3-2005.04 are valid, you just need to perform measurements up to 1 GHz. In the actual Japanese standard it is referred to CISPR 22:1997. Kind regards i.V. Mario Lehmann Geschäftsbereich European Compliance Laboratory HERBERG. Service Plus GmbH Tel:+49 911 59835-923 Nordostpark 51 Fax:+49 911 59835-90 90411 Nürnberg mailto: mailto:mlehm...@herberg-sp.de mlehm...@herberg-sp.de http://www.herberg-sp.de/ http://www.herberg-sp.de djumbdenst...@tycoint.com Gesendet von: emc-p...@ieee.org 05.10.2005 18:25 An emc-p...@ieee.org Kopie Thema VCCI testing above 1 GHz With the change in CISPR 22, anyone know how testing above 1 GHz is being addressed in Japan today? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:49 AM To: Gordon,Ian Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Rumor (I stress, rumor) has it that we should see both EN 55022:2005 and Amendment A1:2005 to EN 55022:2005 show up in the OJ in November. We'll see what the date of withdrawal is then. Ghery From: Gordon,Ian [mailto:ian.gor...@bocedwards.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:40 AM To: Pettit, Ghery Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Ghery Do you know if there a timetable for publishing this in the European OJ as an ammendment to EN55022? Ian Gordon -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: 02 October 2005 04:12 To: bdew...@ix.netcom.com; Dward ATCB; regula...@relia.net; emcp...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Well, it isn't a proposed CISPR 22 standard anymore. Amendment 1 to CISPR 22:2005 was published in July and provides limits from 1 GHz to 6 GHz. The actual test methods, etc are provided in the CISPR 16 series of documents. See the amendment for the specific citations. No height scan is required for CISPR 22 above 1 GHz IFF (remember the old algebra IFF - If and only if?) the EUT falls within the beam width of the antenna. Otherwise, some height scanning is needed. Again, look at the amendment and read the cited portions from CISPR 16-x. No bore sighting either way. Ghery S. Pettit Intel Corporation *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings
VCCI testing above 1 GHz
With the change in CISPR 22, anyone know how testing above 1 GHz is being addressed in Japan today? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:49 AM To: Gordon,Ian Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Rumor (I stress, rumor) has it that we should see both EN 55022:2005 and Amendment A1:2005 to EN 55022:2005 show up in the OJ in November. We'll see what the date of withdrawal is then. Ghery From: Gordon,Ian [mailto:ian.gor...@bocedwards.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:40 AM To: Pettit, Ghery Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Ghery Do you know if there a timetable for publishing this in the European OJ as an ammendment to EN55022? Ian Gordon -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: 02 October 2005 04:12 To: bdew...@ix.netcom.com; Dward ATCB; regula...@relia.net; emcp...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Above 1 GHz EMI testing with horn antenna Well, it isn't a proposed CISPR 22 standard anymore. Amendment 1 to CISPR 22:2005 was published in July and provides limits from 1 GHz to 6 GHz. The actual test methods, etc are provided in the CISPR 16 series of documents. See the amendment for the specific citations. No height scan is required for CISPR 22 above 1 GHz IFF (remember the old algebra IFF - If and only if?) the EUT falls within the beam width of the antenna. Otherwise, some height scanning is needed. Again, look at the amendment and read the cited portions from CISPR 16-x. No bore sighting either way. Ghery S. Pettit Intel Corporation *** The information contained in this email and any attachments may be confidential and is provided solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail, its attachments or any information contained therein is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and any attachments. No responsibility is accepted for any virus or defect that might arise from opening this e-mail or attachments, whether or not it has been checked by anti-virus software. - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - 2005 IEEE Symposium on Product Safety Engineering 3-4 October Schaumburg, IL http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI cost
Duncan Hobbs duncan_ho...@xyratex.com wrote (in daa86e35a29ef84292f56943906cbdbc02562...@xy01ex01.xy01.xyratex.com) about 'VCCI cost', on Thu, 11 Aug 2005: As you can imagine, getting a 205,000 Yen bill signed off involved some explaination of the exchange rates! Good job it wasn't in Turkish Lira: 205 000 Yen is 2 463 763 800 Turkish Lira today. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Deadlines are 90% of deadliness. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: VCCI cost
Gary and group, I was asked not so long ago to raise a purchase order for our membership of VCCI The fee we paid is 205,000 JPY (Japanese yen) which equates to about £1000 or $2000. As I seem to remember they insist that it is paid in japanese yen. As you can imagine, getting a 205,000 Yen bill signed off involved some explaination of the exchange rates! Hope this helps. Regards, Duncan. Duncan Hobbs, Senior Compliance Engineer Product Compliance Laboratory Xyratex Technology Ltd. Havant, Hampshire, U.K. PO9 1SA tel: 02392 496444 fax: 02392 496014 duncan_ho...@xyratex.com _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff Gary Sent: 09 August 2005 19:59 To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: VCCI cost Anybody have the current manufacturers (not test house fee’s) for VCCI membership – small company. I’m remembering $2k or something of that nature. Large companies pay more – theoretically based on the number of test reports submitted. Thanks Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: VCCI cost
http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/general/nyukai/nyukai.html The link below might be of interest. http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/general/nyukai/nyukai.html Regards, Kaz From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff Gary Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: VCCI cost Anybody have the current manufacturers (not test house fee’s) for VCCI membership – small company. I’m remembering $2k or something of that nature. Large companies pay more – theoretically based on the number of test reports submitted. Thanks Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
VCCI cost
Anybody have the current manufacturers (not test house fee’s) for VCCI membership – small company. I’m remembering $2k or something of that nature. Large companies pay more – theoretically based on the number of test reports submitted. Thanks Gary This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Labs for FCC /CE / VCCI certification
Dear Forum members, We are looking for a lab that can help us in obtaining FCC, CE VCCI certification for all our digital media readers and smart card readers. Since we operate from India we prefer labs in near by location. I request you all to help me in this regard. Sincerely K.Balasubramanian Sr.Engineer, Hardware. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: VCCI
Mike et al, See the exact wording of exempted devices, in particular item (3) as I've copied for you below. Amended: April 1, 2002, 15th Edition 15th Edition applied from: April 1, 2002 [...] Article 3 (Scope of the Implementation) These regulations shall apply to the ITE, defined in Article 4, which is shipped in Japan. However, these regulations might not apply to the following types of equipment: (1) ITE that is subject to, or under review of being subject to, other standards or laws equivalent in objective to these regulations in Japan, even if the ITE definition in Article 4 applies. Such ITE includes all radio equipment whose primary function is radio transmission and reception as stipulated in the Radio Law, in-vehicle ITE, and equipment stipulated in the Electric Appliance and Material Control Law, such as household electrical appliances, and radio and television broadcast receivers. (2) ITE in a telecom center (that is, ITE in buildings controlled by telecommunication carriers). (3) Control units designed to be used in industrial plants where the data processing function is a secondary purpose. (4) Testing and measuring instruments designed to be used for industrial, scientific, and medical purposes where the data processing function is a secondary purpose (i.e., ISM equipment). (5) ITE whose power consumption is 6 nW or less. http://www.vcci.or.jp/ Best Regards, Eric Lifsey --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
VCCI
I notice in all of the VCCI documents, that it only refers to ITE. Any opinions on whether or not it applies to ISM equipment that is operated through an industrial PC? This would definitely be a Class A device. Thanks, Mike --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: VCCI
Gary, The new URL for the VCCI web site is: http://www.vcci.or.jp/ Click English, then Member (password-protected,) then Documents and Forms. Form 1 is the first form in the table. Click on Word file. Regards, Dan From: Gary McInturff gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: VCCI Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:14:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Does anybody know the link to the VCCI conformity verification report for 1 (as of April 1, 2001). I have the homepage but this document is suppose to be downloadable, but darned if I can find it. Thanks Gary --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
VCCI
Does anybody know the link to the VCCI conformity verification report for 1 (as of April 1, 2001). I have the homepage but this document is suppose to be downloadable, but darned if I can find it. Thanks Gary --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Japan VCCI vs. PSE
Here is my understanding. For EMC, Japan has only the VCCI, which is the Voluntary Council for the Control of Interference. It is optional to belong, but members must meet the equivalent of CISPR 22. Until now, AC/DC adapters required safety certification and the use of the Dentori-T mark with certification number. Now, the new Denan process will require the same certification ut with use of the PSE mark. It does not appear that the safety certification is required for most ITE products (other than adapters) under the old or new requirements. George Alspaugh Wan Juang Foo fwj%np.edu...@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/20/2001 09:06:36 AM Please respond to Wan Juang Foo fwj%np.edu...@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Request for a Compliance Matrix Dear all, The table as posted on the web site was very impressive. However there is one or two things that is bugging me. I was aware that the EMC marking in Japan was not mandatory but there are standards set by VCCI. Can someone enlighten me on how (if ) it is related to the PSE marking? Thanks in advance. Tim Foo, E-mail: f...@np.edu.sg ECE, School of Engineering, http://www.np.edu.sg/ece/ Tel: + 65 460 6143 Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Fax: + 65 467 1730 535 Clementi Road, Singapore 599489 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: VCCI - is it voluntary?
Agree, our company only recently became VCCI registered. The reason, the company we supply was already a member and required us to demonstrate compliance. John Juhasz wrote: On another note, many companies (both US and Japanese) belong to VCCI. As a member of VCCI, they pledge that the products that they market will be evaluated for compliance with the specifications, and be marked as such. So if you are planning on doing business with a VCCI member, you will be asked to demonstrate compliance. http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci/vcci_e/faq/index.html John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Mowbray, John H [mailto:jm134...@exchange.canada.ncr.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:11 AM To: 'George Stults'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: VCCI - is it voluntary? VCCI is a voluntary organization in that it is self-policing the ITE industry, and is not mandatory in a legal sense (you can't be dragged into court for non-compliance), BUT the Japanese consumers are aware of the mark and look for it. On the other side the failure to comply when you have attached the mark can result in the details being published in the popular press -- then try to sell ANYTHING there. John Mowbray, P. Eng. Senior EMC Engineer NCR Canada, Waterloo 580 Weber St. N. Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 4G5 519 884 1710 X5371 FAX: 519 884 0610 email: john.mowb...@ncr.com -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer Xyratex Engineering Laboratory Tele 023 92496855 Fax 023 92496014
RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?
On another note, many companies (both US and Japanese) belong to VCCI. As a member of VCCI, they pledge that the products that they market will be evaluated for compliance with the specifications, and be marked as such. So if you are planning on doing business with a VCCI member, you will be asked to demonstrate compliance. http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci/vcci_e/faq/index.html John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Mowbray, John H [mailto:jm134...@exchange.canada.ncr.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:11 AM To: 'George Stults'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: VCCI - is it voluntary? VCCI is a voluntary organization in that it is self-policing the ITE industry, and is not mandatory in a legal sense (you can't be dragged into court for non-compliance), BUT the Japanese consumers are aware of the mark and look for it. On the other side the failure to comply when you have attached the mark can result in the details being published in the popular press -- then try to sell ANYTHING there. John Mowbray, P. Eng. Senior EMC Engineer NCR Canada, Waterloo 580 Weber St. N. Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 4G5 519 884 1710 X5371 FAX: 519 884 0610 email: john.mowb...@ncr.com
RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?
George, My understanding is that if anyone in the distribution chain is registered with the VCCI, then they are obliged to distribute VCCI compliant products. So you should check you distribution to chain, mfg.-wholesaler-distributor-customer, to see if any is registered with the VCCI. In summary, if anyone in the chain is VCCI registered, that is when it becomes involuntary, and your device, being the mfg., must be compliant to the standard and labeled properly. ~ Sam Wismer Lead Regulatory Engineer/ Radio Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. (770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 Visit Our Website at: http://www.ems-t.com -Original Message- From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com [mailto:acar...@uk.xyratex.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:20 AM To: George Stults Cc: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: Re: VCCI - is it voluntary? George VCCI registration is voluntary. You do not need it to sell in Japan. BUT like so many other things, the VCCI mark is now seen as a sign of quality and you may find it hard to sell products in Japan without the mark. George Stults wrote: Hi All, Just a basic question here about VCCI, hopefully it hasn't been done recently. In the acronym VCCI, (Voluntary Control Council for Interference) the first word is 'Voluntary.' I have assumed that VCCI is a defacto standard in spite of being called 'Voluntary,' but I don't know how to prove it - and of course I could be wrong. Does anyone know of a specific document or clause or line of argument that clearly spells out whether or not VCCI is a requirement to sell ITE products in Japan? Thanks in advance for comments. George Stults --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer Xyratex Engineering Laboratory Tele 023 92496855 Fax 023 92496014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, attachment: Sam_Wismer.vcf
RE: VCCI - is it voluntary?
VCCI is a voluntary organization in that it is self-policing the ITE industry, and is not mandatory in a legal sense (you can't be dragged into court for non-compliance), BUT the Japanese consumers are aware of the mark and look for it. On the other side the failure to comply when you have attached the mark can result in the details being published in the popular press -- then try to sell ANYTHING there. John Mowbray, P. Eng. Senior EMC Engineer NCR Canada, Waterloo 580 Weber St. N. Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 4G5 519 884 1710 X5371 FAX: 519 884 0610 email: john.mowb...@ncr.com -Original Message- From: George Stults [mailto:george.stu...@watchguard.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:15 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: VCCI - is it voluntary? Hi All, Just a basic question here about VCCI, hopefully it hasn't been done recently. In the acronym VCCI, (Voluntary Control Council for Interference) the first word is 'Voluntary.' I have assumed that VCCI is a defacto standard in spite of being called 'Voluntary,' but I don't know how to prove it - and of course I could be wrong. Does anyone know of a specific document or clause or line of argument that clearly spells out whether or not VCCI is a requirement to sell ITE products in Japan? Thanks in advance for comments. George Stults --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: VCCI - is it voluntary?
George VCCI registration is voluntary. You do not need it to sell in Japan. BUT like so many other things, the VCCI mark is now seen as a sign of quality and you may find it hard to sell products in Japan without the mark. George Stults wrote: Hi All, Just a basic question here about VCCI, hopefully it hasn't been done recently. In the acronym VCCI, (Voluntary Control Council for Interference) the first word is 'Voluntary.' I have assumed that VCCI is a defacto standard in spite of being called 'Voluntary,' but I don't know how to prove it - and of course I could be wrong. Does anyone know of a specific document or clause or line of argument that clearly spells out whether or not VCCI is a requirement to sell ITE products in Japan? Thanks in advance for comments. George Stults --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer Xyratex Engineering Laboratory Tele 023 92496855 Fax 023 92496014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
VCCI - is it voluntary?
Hi All, Just a basic question here about VCCI, hopefully it hasn't been done recently. In the acronym VCCI, (Voluntary Control Council for Interference) the first word is 'Voluntary.' I have assumed that VCCI is a defacto standard in spite of being called 'Voluntary,' but I don't know how to prove it - and of course I could be wrong. Does anyone know of a specific document or clause or line of argument that clearly spells out whether or not VCCI is a requirement to sell ITE products in Japan? Thanks in advance for comments. George Stults --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: VCCI application
There is a pdf version of the form in the guest center on our web site at www.curtis-straus.com -Jon Curtis. Jim Bacher wrote: forwarding for : bgilmar...@cereva.com Reply Separator Subject:VCCI application Author: Gilmartin; Bob bgilmar...@cereva.com Date: 9/27/00 1:46 PM Hello group, Does anybody have an application for VCCI they can forward to me. I went to the VCCI website and it's a Catch-22-I can't download an application for membership until I have a membership (i.e. username and password). There is also no link to email VCCI. Bob Gilmartin Sr. Regulatory Engineer Cereva Networks, Inc. 3 Network Drive Marlboro, MA 01752-3083 (508) 486-9660 x3412 phone (508) 486-9776 fax --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org -- Jon D. Curtis, P.E. Director of Engineering Curtis-Straus LLC One Stop Laboratory for NEBS, EMC, Product Safety, and Telecom Testing. 527 Great Road Littleton, MA 01460 USA Voice 978-486-8880 Fax 978-486-8828 email: jcur...@curtis-straus.com WWW.CURTIS-STRAUS.COM --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: VCCI application Membership required??
The way I remember it, test labs are 'associate members'. Only manufacturers can be 'members'. Has this changed? Regards, Bandele Jetstream Communications, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 3:46 PM To: 'chasgra...@aol.com'; Gary McInturff; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com; bgilmar...@cereva.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: VCCI application Membership required?? Any one can be a member and there are two classes; Member manufacturers and Member test facilities. VCCI collects fees from both of us. From the manufacturer's side the fee's are based upon the anticipated number of submittals per year. The payment is billed once a year, but then there are no individual filling fees. They review your test report and accept the data and return a stamped copy to you. At that point you can apply their logo, they send you camera ready artwork of the logo and the required Japanese text. There is one other little gotcha. Even though you are a manufacturing member, the data you submit has to come from the other type of member, the test facility. They are required to have VCCI audits and they also pay a yearly fee. You will need to get the C and R numbers which identify their conducted and radiated test sites. You'll also need to have a report number from them and provide a drawing of the cable routing, along with the description of the cables. E.G.. 3 meter, round shielded, RS232 cable, or whatever. So VCCI is in effect double dipping. Some from me and some from you. That is why I maintain them to be the most expensive voluntary organization that I have ever seen. Gary -Original Message- From: chasgra...@aol.com [mailto:chasgra...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 3:15 PM To: gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com; bgilmar...@cereva.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: VCCI application Membership required?? Can anyone apply for VCCI registration. I thought membership was required prior to sending in an application. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: VCCI application
Damn, I'm good. I happen to have one right here! I'll have it Fed-ex tomorrow to the address below. But I'll expect public notification that I am the man! Gary By the way they will want you to fill out this paper send it to them and only then will they determine the cost. The cost really goes to how many submittals you intend to make. I haven't a clue why that can't be done up front but there you have it. Attached below is a contact card I use when I have questions and submittals. -Original Message- From: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com [mailto:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:37 PM To: Gilmartin; Bob; EMC Newsgroup (E-mail) Subject: Re:VCCI application forwarding for : bgilmar...@cereva.com Reply Separator Subject:VCCI application Author: Gilmartin; Bob bgilmar...@cereva.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 9/27/00 1:46 PM Hello group, Does anybody have an application for VCCI they can forward to me. I went to the VCCI website and it's a Catch-22-I can't download an application for membership until I have a membership (i.e. username and password). There is also no link to email VCCI. Bob Gilmartin Sr. Regulatory Engineer Cereva Networks, Inc. 3 Network Drive Marlboro, MA 01752-3083 (508) 486-9660 x3412 phone (508) 486-9776 fax --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org ---BeginMessage--- ---End Message---
Re: VCCI application Membership required??
Can anyone apply for VCCI registration. I thought membership was required prior to sending in an application. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: VCCI application Membership required??
Any one can be a member and there are two classes; Member manufacturers and Member test facilities. VCCI collects fees from both of us. From the manufacturer's side the fee's are based upon the anticipated number of submittals per year. The payment is billed once a year, but then there are no individual filling fees. They review your test report and accept the data and return a stamped copy to you. At that point you can apply their logo, they send you camera ready artwork of the logo and the required Japanese text. There is one other little gotcha. Even though you are a manufacturing member, the data you submit has to come from the other type of member, the test facility. They are required to have VCCI audits and they also pay a yearly fee. You will need to get the C and R numbers which identify their conducted and radiated test sites. You'll also need to have a report number from them and provide a drawing of the cable routing, along with the description of the cables. E.G.. 3 meter, round shielded, RS232 cable, or whatever. So VCCI is in effect double dipping. Some from me and some from you. That is why I maintain them to be the most expensive voluntary organization that I have ever seen. Gary -Original Message- From: chasgra...@aol.com [mailto:chasgra...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 3:15 PM To: gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com; bgilmar...@cereva.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: VCCI application Membership required?? Can anyone apply for VCCI registration. I thought membership was required prior to sending in an application. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: VCCI Web Page
http://www1a.meshnet.or.jp/vcci/vccie/index.html I just cleared my disk cache and verified that it is a valid link Eric Lifsey.
VCCI Web Page
Can someone give me the link for the VCCI web page please? Doug Frazee EMC Compliance Engineer Alliant Techsystems, Inc. doug_fra...@atk.com
VCCI ?
Questions regarding VCCI? 1) Is VCCI for a product ever MANDATORY for it to be imported into Japan? 2) If VCCI is not mandatory, is it mandatory to meet certain emissions limits for importation into Japan? 3) If VCCI is not mandatory, for what type of products is VCCI most desirable (that is, what products won't sell without VCCI?) 3) What are the costs associated with membership, and with specific product approval? Thanks in advance, R. Grant Pinto grant.pi...@adn.alcatel.com Alcatel Data Networks 703-724-2759 703-724-2132-fax
RE: VCCI labelling
Here is a brief summary of a public VCCI meeting that was held in Santa Clara, California on March 17, 1997, which I attended. Five VCCI officials from Japan made presentaions to the audience relative to the changes in their VCCI standards that become effective April 1, 1997. They provided a draft copy of the revised standards and then proceeded to highlight all of the changes made. The VCCI informed the audience that the final versions of the revised standards will be distributed by VCCI sometime in late April (but they said the new standards still become effective April 1). The affected standards are listed below: 1. V-2/97.04 Regulations for Voluntary Control Measures 2. V-3/97.04 Technical Requirements 3. V-4/97.04 Guidelines for Test Conditions for Equipment under Test 4. V-4/97.04 Appendix II: Test Site Evaulation using Shortened Dipole 5. Misc Forms Application Procedures for Registration of Measurement Facilities These draft revised standards were issued by: VCCI Shiba-koen Sanada Bldg 2nd Floor 5-12 Shiba-koen 3-chome, Minato-ku, Tokoyo 105 Tel: 03-3434-8809 Fax: 03-3434-8837 http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci/ Hope this is helpful. Sincerely, Manny Barron Tandem Computers, Inc. ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT SENT 04-05-97 FROM SMTPGATE @MAILMN (gra...@louisville.stortek.com) It s in their AGREEMENT OF VCCI FOR ITE document V-2/96.03..Beware though - I understand that they are revising this agreement AGAIN - I'll keep you posted. Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek -- From: Arthur Poolton (MEPCD)[SMTP:arth...@apricot.mee.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 6:54 AM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); 'EMC Group' Subject:RE: VCCI labelling Does anyone have samples of the new label ? -- From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz)[SMTP:gra...@louisville.stortek.com] Sent: 04 April 1997 01:06 To:'EMC Group' Subject: VCCI labelling I noticed that the VCCI have changed their labelling requirements for ITE. How long before we have to use the new label? We still have a lot of the old label.
RE: VCCI labelling
It s in their AGREEMENT OF VCCI FOR ITE document V-2/96.03..Beware though - I understand that they are revising this agreement AGAIN - I'll keep you posted. Charles Grasso EMC Engineer StorageTek -- From: Arthur Poolton (MEPCD)[SMTP:arth...@apricot.mee.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 6:54 AM To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz); 'EMC Group' Subject:RE: VCCI labelling Does anyone have samples of the new label ? -- From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz)[SMTP:gra...@louisville.stortek.com] Sent: 04 April 1997 01:06 To:'EMC Group' Subject: VCCI labelling I noticed that the VCCI have changed their labelling requirements for ITE. How long before we have to use the new label? We still have a lot of the old label.
