Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-31 Thread Bayo Olabisi
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence Well, unfortunately it is too often that some labs just know how to pass an audit, but when it comes to testing, they fall very short. Far too many ‘so called’ good labs rely on instrumentation and simply do

[PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Gartman, W. Richard
PSES network, I am looking at do due-diligence assessment of 3rd party labs that we use for EMC, Wireless, and product safety testing. There are the standard lab certifications: IEC17025, A4LA, NVLAP, IECEE CB Scheme, etc. I get many 3rd party reports from labs, that have the proper

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Brian Oconnell
The 2012 PSES Symposium had a session on the assessment of CABs and labs. But the presenter was influenced by space aliens, so information could have been compromised. Do not think that any of my PPT files made it to the disc, but may be online. Brian -Original Message- From:

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
We require an on-site audit of the lab. 3rd party accreditation bodies aren't perfect. I've found cases where the documentation was in good shape, indicating that the assessor understood ISO/IEC 17025, but the test setups were wrong, indicating that either the assessor didn't understand the

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message fe37b7a5275ae24195833ce152b33e432e6ed...@dlee08.ent.ti.com, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Gartman, W. Richard rgart...@ti.com writes: What I am looking for is, what beyond these certifications do you look for in a lab to consider it acceptable? I suspect that after seeing all the

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message 63e38a5b081437478c77651f3d56c64f57f4f...@orsmsx102.amr.corp.intel.com, dated Fri, 30 Aug 2013, Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com writes: I've found cases where the documentation was in good shape, indicating that the assessor understood ISO/IEC 17025, but the test setups were

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Kevin Robinson
Full disclosure, I used to work at a test lab, and I now work for a government regulator that audits test labs. In most cases, as Richard said, test labs, except for possibly your small local labs have accreditations from multiple accreditation bodies, all auditing to some variant of

Re: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence

2013-08-30 Thread Dward
: [PSES] 3rd party labs due-diligence Full disclosure, I used to work at a test lab, and I now work for a government regulator that audits test labs. In most cases, as Richard said, test labs, except for possibly your small local labs have accreditations from multiple accreditation bodies, all