Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-19 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
Interesting. And, no, I wasn’t there, either. I was 6 years old at the time and had never heard of CISPR then. 😊 Ghery S. Pettit From: Ari Honkala Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I found an interesting old

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-19 Thread John Woodgate
And no, I was not there. Regards, Ari Honkala SESKO *From:* Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] *Sent:* maanantai 18. marraskuuta 2019 21.50 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I know it is in VDE 0871/6.78, so it dates back to at least June of 1978.  I

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-19 Thread Ari Honkala
From: John Woodgate mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I agree: I'm almost certain that it is German in origin, and I'm sure it dates ba

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Bill Owsley
The 80/80 rule was/is applied for auditing manufacturing as, according to management, 'good enough for government work.'  They figured the risk of getting caught was sufficiently low enough to continue shipping. Initial testing has no allowance for exceeding the requirements. An experienced prod

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, 20% is an over-estimate for committees with more than five members. My view (and I think it might even begin to be believed) is that it can be accepted that standards should not allow, or even encourage, the shipment of non-compliant product. The manufacturer alone must decide how to cope

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Allen
Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule That's the 80/20 rule, which is an entirely different thing. It applies to standards committees; 20 % of members do all the work and 80 % just accept the results. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgat

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Shinn
e only > place I’ve seen a requirement that if a single unit is tested then a 2 dB > margin is required. > > Ghery S. Pettit iNCE > Pettit EMC Consulting LLC > > > From: John Woodgate > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:47 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
commercial field (military field was, and still is, a rather different one). John E Allen W. London, UK. *From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] *Sent:* 18 November 2019 19:47 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I agree: I'm almost certain that it is G

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Bill Owsley
s, a rather different one).   John E Allen W. London, UK.   From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 18 November 2019 19:47 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule   I agree: I'm almost certain that it is German in origin, and I'm sure it dates bac

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Allen
itary field was, and still is, a rather different one). John E Allen W. London, UK. From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 18 November 2019 19:47 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I agree: I'm almost certain that it is German in origin, an

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
From: John Woodgate Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule I agree: I'm almost certain that it is German in origin, and I'm sure it dates back to the 20th Century, possibly as early as 1960. Best wishes John Wo

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
I agree: I'm almost certain that it is German in origin, and I'm sure it dates back to the 20th Century, possibly as early as 1960. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-11-18 19:44, John Shinn wrote: If my memory

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Shinn
If my memory serves me right, as I recall, the 80/80 rule was in at least one of the VDE standards regarding radiated emissions. I can’t recall the number or name. This is going back to the late ‘70s or so. John Shinn Retired Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:55 AM, John Woodgate w

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Bill Owsley
ate: Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:18 AM To: Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule   Thanks for your response, but the rule dates back much further. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-11-18 18:22, Larry K. Stil

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Bill Owsley
rther.   Mark   From: John Woodgate Organization: J M Woodgate and Associates Reply-To: John Woodgate Date: Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:18 AM To: Subject: Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule   Thanks for your response, but the rule dates back much further. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opi

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Mark Gandler
. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From: John Woodgate Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.O

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
:55 PM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] 80/80 rule Can someone tell me when the 80/80 rule was introduced into CISPR standards and if possible, a bit more detail than just the date, please? -- Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodj

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Larry K. Stillings
y it. From: John Woodgate Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 80/80 rule Can someone tell me when the 80/80 rule was introduced into CISPR standards and if possible, a bit more detail than just the date, please? -- Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-O

Re: [PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread Wiseman, Joshua
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[PSES] 80/80 rule

2019-11-18 Thread John Woodgate
Can someone tell me when the 80/80 rule was introduced into CISPR standards and if possible, a bit more detail than just the date, please? -- Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---