Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I try my best to keep things out of the landfill☺ From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 5:46 PM To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery Hi Dave: Yes. Coffee makers

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Richard Nute
. End of life. ☹ Best regards, Rich From: Nyffenegger, Dave Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 12:48 PM To: ri...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery You mean I wasn’t supposed to replace the thermal cu

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
You mean I wasn’t supposed to replace the thermal cutout in my coffee maker (with identical part)? From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Richard Nute
: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery Hi Richard, Thanks for your comments! Your second point is good to think it deeper. Who does determine the battery lifetime equal to product lifetime? Product designer? Not

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Scott Xe
Hi Richard, Thanks for your comments! Your second point is good to think it deeper. Who does determine the battery lifetime equal to product lifetime? Product designer? Not all customers agree on it. For example, the lithium-ion battery in mobile phone. Nowadays, many mobile phones do not sug

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Scott Xe
Mike, Thanks for your reminder! Have EU people used to do so at the end of product life? It is a dangerous process for non professionals to take out the old lithium battery from the end product before sending it to the landfill. Regards, Scott On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 01:22, MIKE SHERMAN wrot

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-22 Thread Scott Xe
John, Thanks for your view! I fully agree with you that both EN 60065 & EN 60950-1 are coming to EoL. However many managements of supply chain have not begun the switch. Probably next year will be a turning point. Best regards, Scott On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 01:17, John Woodgate wrote: > I a

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-20 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Scott: I agree with John. All batteries wear out. A battery is replaceable either by the user or by a serviceman. For this reason, the battery (or the product or both) must be marked so that the battery can be replaced by an identical or equivalent battery. Same as the reasoni

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-20 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Scott -- Don't forget that the Battery Directive requires that you provide customers with instructions on how to remove the battery at the end of life. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February 20, 2019 at 11:06 AM Scott Xe wrote: > > The end product safety standards EN 60065 & EN 60950-1

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-20 Thread John Woodgate
I agree; even internal fixed batteries should be marked. The markings are for service technicians and recycling people, not just users. But 60065 and 60950-1 are nearly dead. You should look at 62368-1. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

[PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-20 Thread Scott Xe
The end product safety standards EN 60065 & EN 60950-1 consider the compliance if lithium-ion rechargeable battery meets EN 62133. EN 62133 asks for some rating markings and WEEE and battery Directives also ask for recycle symbols. For individual selling on battery cells and packs, they must comp