Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread Charlie Blackham
Many consumer items that fall under the LVD are dealt with under the GPSD are reported on RAPEX Many machines don’t “freely move” about the EU and the Machinery Directive is enforced under national legislation – for example in the UK, the Health and Safety Executive enforce and prosecute using

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread John Woodgate
I think we have to be realistic. It is very costly to carry out technical assessments for EMC, which are the only way to detect violations. Safety is a bit different; violations can often simply be seen (or at least strongly suspected) by visual inspection, and laboratory testing may not be

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread Kevin Robinson
Here are a few more resources that attempt to compare rates of compliance between SDoC and 3rd party conformity assessment. http://www.ifia-federation.org/content/wp-content/uploads/IFIA_CIPC_239_2014-2016_Market_survey_report.pdf https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=OSHA-2008-0032-0099

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Most of the end users of our machinery in the EU have or hire their own consultant to do conformity assessment (MD/LVD) of new purchases as part of the procurement and acceptance process. That sometimes gets interesting. -Dave From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent:

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
John, I love your example of the Power Supply. In this case, a “standard” says one thing, but the manufacturer did it a different way. The use of Standards to show compliance to a Directive is only voluntary. In a Hazard Driven approach to safety, such a drop-dead requirement in a Standard

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread John Woodgate
Your first paragraph states the problem, and 'technical violation - no action' is the way it's resolved. In a DoC, I wouldn't mention 'relevant' at all, particularly now the legal profession has got its hooks into the European compliance system. It really does look like a 'loophole creator',

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread John Woodgate
There's more. The recommended format for EU DoCs, at least for electrical safety and EMC asserts conformity with Directives, not standards, and says it 'applies' standards, not conforms to them: /The object of the declaration described above is in conformity with the relevant Union

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread Kunde, Brian
Ok, I’ll pile on. I have never been involved in a market surveillance inspection so I really have no right to comment, but I am trying to understand what constitutes itself as a Technical Non-Compliance. Many of my products get inspected post-sale at our customer sites by third-party labs or

Re: [PSES] CE non-conformity statistics

2018-11-02 Thread John Woodgate
A typical technical non-compliance is incorrect marking of power supply data. Different standards have different requirements, and it's easy to mistakenly state, for example, the supply current when the standard requires the input power to be stated. Yes, the majority of reported violations