Safety Listing
Hello group, I have a question about recognition of safety marks. I am considering using Entela to do some safety testing. My concern is how well they are recognized. We currently use MET and UL, somewhat, however I would like to get another option. Any comments would be welcomed. Thanks, Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: SAFETY LISTING
Multiple Listing can also be done. The only advantage under that scheme beyond the one listed below. Is that none of the paperwork or the id number ever refers to the OEM. It really looks like the multiple Listee is the designer manufacturer. It costs a few hundred to do so, but some clients prefer that. Usually, UL will allow you to make the marking changes at the time you request the Multiple Listee because its a paper change only. So time isn't an issue, just the cost. Gary -Original Message- From: Aschenberg, Mat [mailto:matt.aschenb...@echostar.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:17 AM To: 'Courtland Thomas'; emcpost Subject: RE: SAFETY LISTING Courtland, We list the product with UL under a generic Regulatory ID number. This has many advantages. 1) We can change the model number as often as we like without having to resubmit to UL, given that the hardware doesn't change. 2) We can sell the product under other verndor's names without resubmitting to UL as long as the Regulatory ID is labelled on the product. I highly recommend this. Sincerely, Mat Aschenberg Mathew Aschenberg Agency Engineer EchoStar Technologies Corporation 90 Inverness Circle East Englewood, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: Courtland Thomas [SMTP:ctho...@patton.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:35 AM To: emcpost Subject: SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
SAFETY LISTING
Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: SAFETY LISTING
Courtland - If Customer 'DEF' doesn't mind your file number on the Listing label you can ask UL to use your file number instead of your company's name to identify the manufacturer. It is a minor report revision that UL has done many times before. It saves the trouble and time of going through the M/L process and cost. The upside is that if you have other customers that wish to sell your products under their name, you can do so without notifying UL. Mike Campi Set Engineering -Original Message- From: Courtland Thomas [mailto:ctho...@patton.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:35 AM To: emcpost Subject: SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: SAFETY LISTING
Courtland, When we get a product listed we only use our part number for the listing as a way to identify the product, we do not use a product name. That way so long as the part number does not change the Listing will still be valid no matter what product name is on the unit. We even put variables in the part number such as 510-1000-XXX-XX when we get the Listing. This allows us to replace the X's with any alphanumeric characters. By doing this we are able to make changes to parts that do not affect the Listing and have a unique part number for each different unit. These are typically items such as changes to SELV circuitry, painting the unit a different color, putting a customer's name and/or emblem on the unit, etc. We also have some customers that assign their own part number to our products in order to resell it. In that case we include their part number on the label under the heading of P/N and include our part number under the heading of M/N which stands for Manufacturer's Number. This satisfies the requirement of being able to identify the item by the manufacturer's part number or name. Hope this helps, Kurt Andrews Compliance Engineer Tracewell Systems, Inc. 567 Enterprise Drive Westerville, Ohio 43081 voice: 614.846.6175 toll free: 800.848.4525 fax: 614.846.7791 http://www.tracewellsystems.com/ http://www.tracewellsystems.com/ -Original Message- From: Courtland Thomas [SMTP:ctho...@patton.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:35 PM To: emcpost Subject:SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: SAFETY LISTING
Courtland, We list the product with UL under a generic Regulatory ID number. This has many advantages. 1) We can change the model number as often as we like without having to resubmit to UL, given that the hardware doesn't change. 2) We can sell the product under other verndor's names without resubmitting to UL as long as the Regulatory ID is labelled on the product. I highly recommend this. Sincerely, Mat Aschenberg Mathew Aschenberg Agency Engineer EchoStar Technologies Corporation 90 Inverness Circle East Englewood, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: Courtland Thomas [SMTP:ctho...@patton.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:35 AM To: emcpost Subject: SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SAFETY LISTING
Hi Courtland, First some observations: UL only grants rights to use UL marks. Other labs can test to UL standards, but they would grant their own marks. UL has Listed Recognized Component other certifications, but not approval. In UL terms, Multiple Listing ML is where company X (Basic Listee) shares certification (but not control of the file) with company Y (Multiple Listee) model numbers can be same or different between companies there is an initial annual fee. As an option to ML, many companies use what is called File Number ID, where Basic Listee marks their UL File Number (E*) on the product to identify them, and puts company Y's name/logo on the product also. If the model number must change, put the Basic model number out of the way company Y's model # in bigger print prominently - no cost/no wait. If the Basic Listee wants to add an alternate model # (DEF) for marketing purposes, or for changes that do not affect safety, there would be a one-time cost (~U$600) for revising the Product Covered part of the report. I encourage my clients to use wildcards in their model number structure to allow for expansion without revising reports. Example: Today's new model is BELCHFIRE 2000 series. There are two versions which do affect safety those will be identified by the 2nd character (2100, 2200). The remaining 3rd 4th characters can be cosmetic software versions, allowing many combinations without updating the report. The Product Covered would read: Model 2XYY, where X is 1 or 2 and Y is any number, letter, or blank. You can also say may be followed by suffixes to cover an infinite possibility. All above remarks apply only to UL. I hope this helps. Mike Harris/Teccom -Original Message- From: Courtland Thomas ctho...@patton.com To: emcpost emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: SAFETY LISTING
The product displays the name of the manufacturer and the model number. The name of the manufacturer may be changed at will without amending the UL report if the file number is listed near the UL Listing mark. However, if you wish to change the model number, then the UL report must be amended or a multiple listing used. Richard Woods -- From: Courtland Thomas [SMTP:ctho...@patton.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:35 PM To: emcpost Subject: SAFETY LISTING Hello group, I have a concern about Product Names with respect to the Safety Listing. Let's say that we get a product tested through a testing lab and get UL approval. The product name is 'ABC'. A customer comes along and wants the product name changed to 'DEF'. Nothing else has changed on the product. However, the product isn't listed with UL as 'DEF'. What has to happen is the new product name has to be added as a 'Multiple Listing/Trade name'. There is a cost associated with this action. Has anyone encountered this problem and more importantly figured a way around it? Courtland Thomas Patton Electronics --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
The following US locations have laws requiring Listing for domestic equipment: * Maryland * San Francisco * Los Angeles * Orange County, California I have also heard that Chicago, New York City and some cities located on the west coast (earthquake territory) also have laws, but I cannot verify that. There are laws in each of the Canadian Provinces that require Certified equipment be used or the equipment be accepted by the electrical inspector. But, I understand that the inspectors no longer accept equipment that is not Certified. Richard Woods -- From: Aschenberg, Mat [SMTP:matt.aschenb...@echostar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:04 PM To: 'Art Michael'; emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? It seems that this only applies to OSHA, which I understand to apply to work places only. Is there a regulation requiring UL type approvals for devices that are for home use only? Mat -Original Message- From: Art Michael [mailto:amich...@connix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Mat, try website http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_toc/OSHA_Std_toc_1910_SUBPART_S.html If questions, please contact me ASAP. Best Regards,Paul J Smith Teradyne, Inc., 321 Harrison Ave., MS-H64 Boston, MA 02118 paul.j.sm...@teradyne.com Voice 617-422-2997 Fax 603-843-7526, or Fax 617-422-2801 Aschenberg, Mat matt.aschenb...@echostar.com on 12/22/99 12:46:26 PM Please respond to Aschenberg, Mat matt.aschenb...@echostar.com To: 'Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US' rpick...@hypercom.com, emc-p...@ieee.org, t...@world.std.com cc:(bcc: Paul J Smith/Bos/Teradyne) Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
It seems that this only applies to OSHA, which I understand to apply to work places only. Is there a regulation requiring UL type approvals for devices that are for home use only? Mat -Original Message- From: Art Michael [mailto:amich...@connix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Aschenberg, Mat Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hi Mat, Why fax it? The 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S can be found online at: http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_toc/OSHA_Std_toc_1910_SUBPART_S.html Look into 1910.399 to start. Best wishes to you all and I hope you all have a very wonderful holiday season. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com Aschenberg, Mat Matt.Aschenberg@echTo: 'Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US' rpick...@hypercom.com, ostar.com emc-p...@ieee.org, t...@world.std.com cc: 12/22/99 10:46 AM Subject: RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Dear Ron, I am not familiar with 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. I will provide the following information if these will help in some respect: In Canada as per the CEC (Canadian Electrical Code) under the Section 2, 2-024 [ Used of Approved Equipment] is specified: Electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the Inspection department shall be approved and shall be of kind or type and rating approved for the specific purpose for which it is to be employed Since above is used another term approved, we must check the Section 0, Object, Scope and Definitions. APPROVED AS APPLIED TO ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT means , unless otherwise defined by the authority enforcing this Code, that such equipment has been submitted for examination and testing to an acceptable certification agency, that formal certification has been given by the agency to the effect that the equipment conforms to the appropriate CSA Standards established under the provisions of the Canadian Electrical Code, and that certification report has been adopted by not less than two-thirds of the Provincial/Territorial Inspection Authorities represented on the Committee on the CE Code , Part I. I hope it helps in some respect. Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu, P.Eng. Product Safety Engineer DIGITAL SECURITY CONTROLS LTD. 3301 LANGSTAFF Rd. CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA, L4K 4L2 Phone: 1-905 760 3000 extension 2568 Fax: 1-905 760 3020 APPROVAL SERVICES E-mail: bolin...@dscltd.com -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
The Canadian mandate for agency approval comes primarily from the Canadian Electrical Code (CEC) rule 2-024: Electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the inspection department shall be approved and shall be of a kind or type and rating approved for the specific purpose for which it is to be employed. This is supported by a long definition of approved in Section 0 of the CEC. That definition basically says that the equipment needs to have been certified as conforming to the appropriate CSA standards by an acceptable certification agency. While they do not offer a definition of acceptable certification agency, they do offer a definition for accredited certification organization that points to the Standards Council of Canada (SCC). Under Class 2 circuits in section 16, there is an exception that is frequently used. Rule 16-222 says that most equipment powered from a Class 2 circuit does not need to be approved (it says more than that - read it before assuming you don't need approval). So in a nutshell: Yes approval to the applicable CSA standards, by an SCC-accredited certification organization, is legally required, unless the installation meets rule 16-222. By the way, underneath the CEC are the provincial electrical codes which are legally enforced. For example, in B.C. we have the BC Electrical Safety Act, which is a legal act that gives teeth to the BC Electrical Code which in turn calls out the CEC. Something like that. This pattern is duplicated in each province and territory, so the whole country is covered. You need to know this, because the provinces and territories (total of 13 bodies) may each make subtly different interpretations of what constitutes electrical equipment used in electrical installations within the jurisdiction of the inspection department. The same is true, after a fashion, in the US, but there are thousands of jurisdictions, not just 13. Regards, Jim Eichner Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer Statpower Technologies Corporation jeich...@statpower.com http://www.statpower.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really exists, but is powered from a Class 2 circuit so he can be wired with No. 80AWG held to your baseboard by masking tape. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [SMTP:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com
Canadian Safety Listing/Certification Requirements
Could someone please help answer these questions with regards to Canadian Safety requirements. I can try ... 1.) Are telecommunications products shipped into Canada required to be Certified by CSA or Listed by UL using the CUL mark or have another NRTL equivalent mark? If yes, is it by Canadian law, local codes, or by customer requirement? Yes, certification to CSA standards is required by the laws of each and every Province and Territory in Canada. This refers to safety certification. Please note that by federal regulations telecom equipment ALSO needs to be certified, for interconnect purposes, by Communications Canada (aka. Department of Communications), which is similar to the US FCC. I suspect this may not be up to date, but the address I have is: Communications Canada 300 Slater Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0C8 Canada Tel: (613) 990-4716 If this is not correct, your nearest Canadian consulate will be easily able to help you out. 2.) Are all telecommunications devices required to have CSA certification or equivalent regardless of ownership (telco provider owned vs. customer owned). Are products owned by telco providers exempt? As far as I know, nobody is exempt. Certainly customer owned equipment must comply. 3.) Who is in charge regulating this (customs vs. building inspectors vs. customers)? All of the above, plus electrical inspectors, power and telecom companies, government ministries, consumer groups, etc. Please note that certification is required by law, so there is really no legal way to avoid this. Sorry about the short answers. Busy putting out some fires, and tempus fugit ... Regards, Egon Varju
Canadian Safety Listing/Certification Requirements
Could someone please help answer these questions with regards to Canadian Safety requirements. 1.) Are telecommunications products shipped into Canada required to be Certified by CSA or Listed by UL using the CUL mark or have another NRTL equivalent mark? If yes, is it by Canadian law, local codes, or by customer requirement? 2.) Are all telecommunications devices required to have CSA certification or equivalent regardless of ownership (telco provider owned vs. customer owned). Are products owned by telco providers exempt? 3.) Who is in charge regulating this (customs vs. building inspectors vs. customers)? Any info is helpful. Thanks in advance. Jim Wiese ADTRAN, Inc. 205-963-8431 205-963-8250 fax j.wi...@adtran.com
