[Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Sat, 5/11/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Does anyone make a decent 4 jaw, about 5 in diameter that will fit the spindle flange of a mini-lathe  for $250?  Most of the chuck peddlers on the net don't brag about what machines their product might fit. Nope. The only

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/5/12 Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com OK, I see now. There's a workaround for the problem. http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/emc2/index.php/italian/forum/24-hal-components/6487-pid-pin-problems Could You, please, explain, how does it solve the problem? OUT pin cannot be connected to IO

[Emc-users] Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Roland Jollivet
Just remembered, that the first time I tried that on the Maximat, it worked too well, and the chuck came spinning off !! If it's a threaded spindle nose, you have to be very careful of this. At least close the chuck during testing. Regards Roland On 12 May 2013 07:34, Cecil Thomas

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
On 5/11/2013 3:52 PM, Andrew wrote: An IO pin can be connected unless there’s an OUT pin on the signal An OUT pin can be connected only if there are no other OUT or IO pins on the signal Regards, Kent Yes, I have read that too. I fail to understand what is the meaning of an IO pin? It is

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:40:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:  Re: Correct use of subroutines   My old school answer is that most subs should be written in (G91) Incremental mode.   My more modern method can be either G90 or G91 depending on the application but I use variables for D, F, Z and loop to

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:09:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Does anyone make a decent 4 jaw, about 5 in diameter that will fit the spindle flange of a mini-lathe  for $250?  Most of the chuck peddlers on the net don't brag about what

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Andrew
2013/5/12 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Could You, please, explain, how does it solve the problem? OUT pin cannot be connected to IO pin. That solution proposes inserting passthru component in the middle, so initial OUT is linked to passthru.in and initial IO is connected to

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
2013/5/12 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Could You, please, explain, how does it solve the problem? OUT pin cannot be connected to IO pin. That solution proposes inserting passthru component in the middle, so initial OUT is linked to passthru.in and initial IO is connected to

Re: [Emc-users] DIY G-Code

2013-05-12 Thread Peter Blodow
Hello John, thanks for your link to the gnipsel site. I'l have to dive into that when I have the time to. What I have been looking for, but never found was a concise reference table of all G-, M- and other codes, sorted by number, containing, one per line of the table, the code number, a short

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
2013/5/12 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Could You, please, explain, how does it solve the problem? OUT pin cannot be connected to IO pin. That solution proposes inserting passthru component in the middle, so initial OUT is linked to passthru.in and initial IO is connected to

Re: [Emc-users] DIY G-Code

2013-05-12 Thread John Thornton
To use a Tapmatic head you just need to calculate the feed rate based on rpm and pitch. They are self reversing so you feed down then feed up without stopping the spindle. Even if you stop the feed the tap will stop turning at some point then when you reverse the Z the tap will reverse

Re: [Emc-users] DIY G-Code

2013-05-12 Thread John Thornton
That would be in the User Manual. JT On 5/12/2013 5:47 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Hello John, thanks for your link to the gnipsel site. I'l have to dive into that when I have the time to. What I have been looking for, but never found was a concise reference table of all G-, M- and other codes,

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
On 05/11/2013 02:19 PM, Lars Andersson wrote: Hi group, Trying to control servo P I and D at runtime with potentiometers to practise loop optimising. The statement net P0 input.0.abs-rx-position == pid.0.Pgain gives me servo2.hal:35: Signal 'P0' can not add I/O pin 'pid.0.Pgain', it

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/12/2013 3:39 AM, Lars Andersson wrote: On 5/11/2013 3:52 PM, Andrew wrote: An IO pin can be connected unless there’s an OUT pin on the signal An OUT pin can be connected only if there are no other OUT or IO pins on the signal Regards, Kent Yes, I have read that too. I fail to

Re: [Emc-users] Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 08:48:00 Cecil Thomas did opine: Gene, My 10EE uses a couple of feet of nichrome coil like you used to see in oven elements and toasters. It stops a 3 hp dc motor about 18 inches in diameter Probably about 50 pounds of armature plus another 100 pounds of pulleys,

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 09:16:13 Gregg Eshelman did opine: --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Does anyone make a decent 4 jaw, about 5 in diameter that will fit the spindle flange of a mini-lathe for $250? Most of the chuck peddlers on the net don't brag about

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Andrew
2013/5/12 Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com I admit I struggled to wrap my brain around this notion when I first read the LinuxCNC docs. Syntactically, there is a difference in these pin types simply because the parsing rules in halcmd say there is a difference. In particular, the two

Re: [Emc-users] Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 09:34:55 Roland Jollivet did opine: On 12 May 2013 02:45, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Greetings all; As I install the motor on my mini-lathe, it occurs to me that if I do a set of ice cube relays driven by those toys on the C41 board, it strikes me that

Re: [Emc-users] Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 09:44:59 Roland Jollivet did opine: Just remembered, that the first time I tried that on the Maximat, it worked too well, and the chuck came spinning off !! If it's a threaded spindle nose, you have to be very careful of this. At least close the chuck during testing.

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/12/2013 6:02 AM, Lars Andersson wrote: The symbol == is new to me. Lars: '=' denotes bidirectional signal flow and is the symbol intended to correspond to IO pins as opposed to IN or OUT pins. Remember, though, the quote from the docs in my earlier message---these direction-indicator

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 09:55:15 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:09:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- On Sat, 5/11/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Does anyone make a decent 4 jaw, about 5 in diameter that will fit the spindle flange of a mini-lathe for $250?

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 10:08:08 Kent A. Reed did opine: On 5/12/2013 6:02 AM, Lars Andersson wrote: The symbol == is new to me. Lars: '=' denotes bidirectional signal flow and is the symbol intended to correspond to IO pins as opposed to IN or OUT pins. Remember, though, the quote

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread andy pugh
On 11 May 2013 20:19, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com wrote: Trying to control servo P I and D at runtime with potentiometers to practise loop optimising. As you have seen, an underlying problem is that the Gains are IO pins. They used to be parameters, but it was decided that pins would

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 05/12/2013 02:16 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:40:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Re: Correct use of subroutines My old school answer is that most subs should be written in (G91) Incremental mode. My more modern method can be either G90 or G91 depending on the

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
On 11 May 2013 20:19, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com wrote: Trying to control servo P I and D at runtime with potentiometers to practise loop optimising. As you have seen, an underlying problem is that the Gains are IO pins. They used to be parameters, but it was decided that pins

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Andersson
On 11 May 2013 20:19, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com wrote: Trying to control servo P I and D at runtime with potentiometers to practise loop optimising. As you have seen, an underlying problem is that the Gains are IO pins. They used to be parameters, but it was decided that pins

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 May 2013 18:08, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: If the operator does not understand complex operation, that's precisely why a subroutine should be used IMO. Granted, I do not know much about G code and machining in general as my work mostly revolved around computers and

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 05/12/2013 10:34 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 12 May 2013 18:08, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: If the operator does not understand complex operation, that's precisely why a subroutine should be used IMO. Granted, I do not know much about G code and machining in general as my work

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:08:10 -0700, you wrote: code. On 05/12/2013 02:16 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: These days unlimited code length is the norm and subs are frowned upon commercially in my experience. The operator can't easily alter the code, if required, on the fly. Some of the subs I've

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:01:39 -0400, you wrote: Their collet chucks look like a decent deal though, and that is something that Chris doesn't stock. So I'll keep that in mind if I ever go into production with my #209 nipple for my muzzle loading BP rifle. Let me know If you want one, I can

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:33:17 -0400, you wrote: I'd certainly think so. The OEM 3 3 jaw scroll is not even a sows ear, 50 thou or more run out, I wound up putting it on a rotary table for the mill, where if I really want wrench flats concentric, I can program the mill to center them. It gets

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 17:49:41 andy pugh did opine: On 12 May 2013 18:08, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: If the operator does not understand complex operation, that's precisely why a subroutine should be used IMO. Granted, I do not know much about G code and machining in general as

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 17:54:32 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:01:39 -0400, you wrote: Their collet chucks look like a decent deal though, and that is something that Chris doesn't stock. So I'll keep that in mind if I ever go into production with my #209 nipple for my

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-12 Thread jeremy youngs
In this case the code is centrally kept and accessed via the network. There is a master copy and working copies. They would NEVER write as a subroutine as the next operator wouldn't understand it. He would however understand any change made in Gcode. Any changes are supposed to be documented on

Re: [Emc-users] Mini Lathe chucks. Re: Question on stopping a 1HP treadmill motor

2013-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 May 2013 17:56:13 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:33:17 -0400, you wrote: I'd certainly think so. The OEM 3 3 jaw scroll is not even a sows ear, 50 thou or more run out, I wound up putting it on a rotary table for the mill, where if I really want wrench flats

Re: [Emc-users] DIY G-Code

2013-05-12 Thread Jon Elson
RogerN wrote: G33.1 requires a spindle encoder to the best of my knowledge. I have a couple of Tapmatic NC tapping heads for non-rigid tapping that I was hoping to get to use. I hope to add a spindle encoder sometime but thought maybe I could use the Tapmatics until then. I have

Re: [Emc-users] Take control of PID control

2013-05-12 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: On 5/12/2013 6:02 AM, Lars Andersson wrote: The symbol == is new to me. Lars: '=' denotes bidirectional signal flow and is the symbol intended to correspond to IO pins as opposed to IN or OUT pins. It is important to remember that these symbols ( =, =,

Re: [Emc-users] DIY G-Code

2013-05-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Sun, 5/12/13, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: What I have been looking for, but never found was a concise reference table of all G-, M- and other codes, sorted by number, containing, one per line of the table, the code number, a short explanation and a very short example to show