Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 November 2014 at 02:10, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the lathe I'm going to try this on is the Mazak. It has the spindle sensor coupled with a timing pulley so there are no gears. What is wrong with the existing spindle sensor? -- atp If you can't fix

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-25 0:40 GMT-03:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: 360, a pulse every degree? if you can only track it to 20 kilohertz, your circuit is in trouble by about 58 rpm. I am using a 50 cycle/turn encoder, and the 5i25 is still loafing at 1500 revs. But I would think it would have to work a

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-25 7:28 GMT-03:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: What is wrong with the existing spindle sensor? Andy, just before answering you I removed the sheet that covers the acces to the sensor, and found out that it's a rotary encoder. The brand is Nikon and the model number is RFh - 1024 - 22

Re: [Emc-users] Simple inverters!! (Half bridges)

2014-11-25 Thread Karlsson Wang
Control signals are the same regardless of current and voltage rating so the same chip for example a MCU or FPGA could be used for signal generation regardless of size which is the reason why I want them as separate modules with or without the control logic. The second reason is inverter bridge

Re: [Emc-users] Simple inverters!! (Half bridges)

2014-11-25 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Most of this discussion is past my knowledge level but this may be easy to build ( not a module but few parts ) and 250w to 2kw and fairly high voltage HTH http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1044.pdf regards TomP tjtr33 On 11/25/2014 10:15 AM, Karlsson Wang wrote: Control signals are

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 November 2014 at 16:11, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Having a 1024 PPR encoder is not that bad, I guess I can scale it using HAL (is that right?) and that would give a pretty accurate variation for cutting the lobes. Yes, if you set the encoder scale to

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 09:49:28 Leonardo Marsaglia did opine And Gene did reply: 2014-11-25 0:40 GMT-03:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: 360, a pulse every degree? if you can only track it to 20 kilohertz, your circuit is in trouble by about 58 rpm. I am using a 50 cycle/turn

Re: [Emc-users] Simple inverters!! (Half bridges)

2014-11-25 Thread Karlsson Wang
Yes it is except EMC problems. This module have three half bridges. I used two half bridges and four dicrete transistors instead. It works but would be simpler to just buy this building block if available. With direct access to the switches I will be able to implement better control algorithm

[Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

2014-11-25 Thread a k
hi i am interesting in motor drive for nema 34 ac servomotor motor has --torque 23 lb in, 4000 rpm. 6 Amp Sinusoidal

Re: [Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

2014-11-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 November 2014 at 20:30, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: motor has --torque 23 lb in, 4000 rpm. 6 Amp Voltage? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT

[Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello! I need to drive 2 high-speed spindle motors, 3,7 kW each. For that I have 11 kW VFD. The problem is that I attached motors to the drive, tried to run them, but VFD does not increase frequency above 8-9 hertz (all the default frequency values are 50 hertz, I checked them and set to 100 to

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Andrew
Hi Viesturs! If your VFD has a vector control, maybe you should switch it over to V/F control with constant torque. I had the same trouble with my Hyundai VFD. Regards,Andrew ... 23:43 +0300 от Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: Hello! I need to drive 2 high-speed spindle motors,

Re: [Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

2014-11-25 Thread a k
any between 120-220 V AC On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2014 at 20:30, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: motor has --torque 23 lb in, 4000 rpm. 6 Amp Voltage? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Thank you! Yes, there is such a setting. Could you, please, explain in more detail, if there are any addditional settings I should pay attention to, when switching over to vector control? Or should I just start with this one change and check for any improvements? Viesturs 2014-11-25 23:00

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Dave Cole
On 11/25/2014 11:46 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 25 November 2014 at 16:11, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Having a 1024 PPR encoder is not that bad, I guess I can scale it using HAL (is that right?) and that would give a pretty accurate variation for cutting the lobes.

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Dave Cole
Just change it to volts/hz. I'd set it up like it is one big motor. Add the full load amps together, etc like you mentioned. It should work with a volts/hz setting. Some drives are just too smart. :-) Dave On 11/25/2014 4:09 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Thank you! Yes, there is such a

[Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Jeff Johnson
Last week I started a post about larger machines and parts and working around jog while paused being missing in LCNC and I had enough posts showing me that Machinekit does indeed have the jog while paused. So we went over there to check it out yes they have it and we played with it on the sim and

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread John Kasunich
You do NOT want to switch to vector control. Andew was suggesting that you switch FROM vector TO V/Hz control. I agree with him. If you are going to run two motors on one VFD you must use straight V/Hz control. True vector control needs encoder feedback from the motor so that it can control

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 11/25/14 2:30 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: Last week I started a post about larger machines and parts and working around jog while paused being missing in LCNC and I had enough posts showing me that Machinekit does indeed have the jog while paused. So we went over there to check it out yes they

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 November 2014 at 21:19, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: I've replaced some on Fords over the years and they typically fit into a hole recess in the engine block and extend to sense a gear or segmented ring. Some sense a magnetised track on a code wheel. They use a missing-tooth

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-11-25 23:40 GMT+02:00 John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm: To summarize: 1) for more than one motor on a single drive, use V/Hz, not vector. 2) for a single motor, if you want to use vector, you must enter all the motor nameplate data accurately into the drive. (Some drives have a

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Jeff Johnson
:Sebastian Kuzminsky Wrote Dewey Garrett is working on a version of JWP for LinuxCNC. It's very different from what Machine kit is doing, and has different limitations. It's implemented as a HAL circuit, so it's minimally invasive, so i'm hoping to merge it for LinuxCNC 2.7. Here's

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 11/25/14 3:01 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: :Sebastian Kuzminsky Wrote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QGOj39I-kk We will be using it as long as it will work in Gmoccapy..Thanks It is totally GUI-agnostic, but it does require the machine integrator/builder to hook up some HAL wiring. Dewey is

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:44:01 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine And Gene did reply: On 11/25/14 2:30 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: Last week I started a post about larger machines and parts and working around jog while paused being missing in LCNC and I had enough posts showing me that

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 11/25/14 3:24 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:44:01 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QGOj39I-kk Looks a bit puzzling Seb, as we can't see how the machine is reacting, and what he is doing with the pulldown is not visible in the backplot.

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Pete Matos
That is a bit confusing I agree. If the outputs are showing the movements then I guess you can assume the machine is moving. I wonder how difficult it would be to get the display to show what he is doing. Also I am sure this is a preliminary setup so do you see some buttons or something to

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Dave Cole
On 11/25/2014 5:36 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I am kinda bummed to hear that Machinekit's setup does not work with the mesa stuff which will be on both of my CNC machines here soon. I've got a 7i43 Mesa board working with Machinekit and I have heard that the 5i20 works fine. I would think that the

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 17:27:32 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine And Gene did reply: On 11/25/14 3:24 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:44:01 Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QGOj39I-kk Looks a bit puzzling Seb, as we can't see how

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC VS Machinekit JWP

2014-11-25 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
Dnia 25-11-2014 o godz. 23:36 Pete Matos napisał(a): That is a bit confusing I agree. If the outputs are showing the movements then I guess you can assume the machine is moving. I wonder how difficult it would be to get the display to show what he is doing. Also I am sure this is a

Re: [Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

2014-11-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 November 2014 at 21:07, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: any between 120-220 V AC Look on eBay and correlate to: http://www.a-m-c.com/products/analog_brushless.html -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] VFD trouble

2014-11-25 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/25/2014 02:43 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I need to drive 2 high-speed spindle motors, 3,7 kW each. For that I have 11 kW VFD. The problem is that I attached motors to the drive, tried to run them, but VFD does not increase frequency above 8-9 hertz (all the default frequency

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-25 13:58 GMT-03:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: That is about 2x what mine can do. I think, not actually measured because it only has a hair over 2.5 of travel. Well this Mazak may be 1983 and for some people DC servos might be obsolete, but when I see how they work I'm still in

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-25 18:19 GMT-03:00 Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com: Since you have limited availability of local parts; you might want to consider using some automotive sensors such as the camshaft and crankshaft sensors used by most cars these days. I've replaced some on Fords over the years and

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Dave Cole
On 11/25/2014 10:30 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: 2014-11-25 18:19 GMT-03:00 Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com: Since you have limited availability of local parts; you might want to consider using some automotive sensors such as the camshaft and crankshaft sensors used by most cars these

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 22:17:22 Leonardo Marsaglia did opine And Gene did reply: 2014-11-25 13:58 GMT-03:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: That is about 2x what mine can do. I think, not actually measured because it only has a hair over 2.5 of travel. Well this Mazak may be 1983 and

Re: [Emc-users] Semi OT: Rotary encoder Z pulse alternatives

2014-11-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 11/25/2014 2:19 PM, Dave Cole wrote: Since you have limited availability of local parts; you might want to consider using some automotive sensors such as the camshaft and crankshaft sensors used by most cars these days. Also have a look at vehicle speed sensors on the outputs of