Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 06 April 2020 21:36:47 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > Just don't use Seagate ST3000DM001 or ST2000DM001 3TB and 2TB drives. > "All dead, all dead, all the drives are dead." > Seagate is one brand, but I am not at all bashfull about downloading the drives firmware updating cd's,

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Phill Carter
> On 7 Apr 2020, at 11:36 am, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users > wrote: > > Just don't use Seagate ST3000DM001 or ST2000DM001 3TB and 2TB drives. "All > dead, all dead, all the drives are dead." > > 'Course any of those two models still operating are likely to stay operating, > maybe.

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Just don't use Seagate ST3000DM001 or ST2000DM001 3TB and 2TB drives. "All dead, all dead, all the drives are dead." 'Course any of those two models still operating are likely to stay operating, maybe. Backblaze (a company that operates massive storage farms) quickly retired all their

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Glenn Edwards
Gene, Once I get through this project, about a dozen parts to g-code and then machine (the CAD work is done), I will consider upgrading. But as you probably know very well from your own experience, I am invested in this EMC2 version which is at the end of a string of software applications- CAD,

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Glenn Edwards
Chris, Yes, the files are backed up, but since it is a boot drive I wanted to take it to the next level of preparedness. Best regards, -- -- Glenn On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:28 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > You can pipe the output of "dd" through gzip and compress the disk image. > It will be

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 06 April 2020 16:32:04 N wrote: > You most probably backup data, in Linux the "/home" folder including > all subdirectories. Not sure if it is possible to save a list of > installed packages in Linux. > > CD-ROM is cheapest if there is enough space, DVD is larger and > magnetic tape

[Emc-users] programming stuff with classic ladder

2020-04-06 Thread andrew beck
Hi guys I have classic ladder up and working finally. sussed out how to use Halcmd with the help of sams awesome video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkNtq4C1F8 anyway I am using classic ladder now and am a bit stuck. Nothing too much but I think I may have the wrong pin linked or similar.

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Chris Albertson
You can pipe the output of "dd" through gzip and compress the disk image. It will be many times smaller. But in this case, where the drive is actually making nose, I would ASAP do a dd copy to another drive (an SSD) and then put the new drive in service. Make a second backup copy later. In

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Many die cast items of the 1940's back to the introduction of the process suffered from "tin pest" where just sitting around at room temperature they'd crumble over time. The right balance of metals in the alloy made it stable. Same goes for solders. Lead made the casting alloy and solder melt

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Jon, Well now that I've had a winter of no rivers flowing through the shop I can finally approach a renovation that will drop the moisture further and generally make it a nicer place to work. Sometime this summer I think. I'm going to go with the concept that somehow high moisture

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/06/2020 04:10 PM, Glenn Edwards wrote: Jon The drive is 500Gb SATA and I can hook up several. I 'man dd' on the old Ubuntu 8.04LTS and seems to be just a file copy service. But I will try your suggestion when I boot off a LiveCD as this makes sense not to disturb the Hot drive. No, dd

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/06/2020 03:36 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I have a Raspberry PiZeroW reporting this: T=15.6C,RH=55.0%,DP=6.6C And yet I've had more surface rust on everything this year than over the last 10. Go figure. There shouldn't be any moisture condensing on anything with a dew point at 6.6C. And

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Chris Albertson
I think Amanda is a front end for the standard UNIX "dump" command.This is good because you can read the backup files without need to install Amanda. Today I'm using a small Synology RAID box. All important files live on this RAID box and get mounted to other computers. So every computer

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread Glenn Edwards
Jon The drive is 500Gb SATA and I can hook up several. I 'man dd' on the old Ubuntu 8.04LTS and seems to be just a file copy service. But I will try your suggestion when I boot off a LiveCD as this makes sense not to disturb the Hot drive. Glenn On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:44 PM Jon Elson

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: April-06-20 1:24 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure > > On 04/06/2020 11:43 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > > > The general problem with Tin connectors is

Re: [Emc-users] Backing up an old drive

2020-04-06 Thread N
You most probably backup data, in Linux the "/home" folder including all subdirectories. Not sure if it is possible to save a list of installed packages in Linux. CD-ROM is cheapest if there is enough space, DVD is larger and magnetic tape provided you use modern tape drive is the largest. >

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/06/2020 11:43 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: The general problem with Tin connectors is that they have a positive feedback failure mechanism if used anywhere near their current limits, their contact resistance rises over time and heat exposure and the higher the resistance, the high the

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: April-06-20 1:15 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure > > On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 21:07, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > I checked and from Pheonix any sort of gold flash

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 21:07, John Dammeyer wrote: > I checked and from Pheonix any sort of gold flash isn't available. They are > on 6mm spacing and although installed as a 12 position I can cut and remove > only the 6 on the LHS. But what to replace them with? Maybe a soldered-in

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
I checked and from Pheonix any sort of gold flash isn't available. They are on 6mm spacing and although installed as a 12 position I can cut and remove only the 6 on the LHS. But what to replace them with? John > -Original Message- > From: Peter Blodow [mailto:p.blo...@dreki.de] >

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen, tin happens to stand near to the transition metals in the periodic system and thus tends to slowly turn from metallic (conductive) to crystaline (noc-conductive) as time goes on. At room temperature this takes very long, say 10 years or more, at low temperature faster, especially

Re: [Emc-users] closing the loop in linuxcnc with a 7i76 mesa card and step direction control

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
Nope. Drive and motor and cables. The adaptor board converts the TTL step/dir or pwm/dir into the appropriate signals. Step requires RS422 for high speed step rates. Slower rates can be open collector type drivers. The PWM module I picked up off aliexpress for about $10 which is how the

Re: [Emc-users] closing the loop in linuxcnc with a 7i76 mesa card and step direction control

2020-04-06 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
> > Those are really expensive. I'm now sold on Bergerda drives from China. > I deal directly with the factory and not some middle man salesman on Ebay. > My 1.8kW drive I'm retrofitting to my Spindle was half that price. FedEx > shipping was the painful part. They won't ship surface unless the

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Marcus Bowman [mailto:marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk] > > This is interesting, for two reasons: > 1. I had two Geckos fail last year, after 10 years or so running at 78 volts. > The Gecko pins were not burnt, but I did burn a pin on a > heavy duty 5 pin XLR connector, twice on the

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020, Jon Elson wrote: Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 11:27:23 -0500 From: Jon Elson Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure On 04/05/2020 11:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Anyone ever run into this

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Marcus Bowman
This is interesting, for two reasons: 1. I had two Geckos fail last year, after 10 years or so running at 78 volts. The Gecko pins were not burnt, but I did burn a pin on a heavy duty 5 pin XLR connector, twice on the same connector.Gecko combination. 2. I suffered intermittent failure on one

Re: [Emc-users] closing the loop in linuxcnc with a 7i76 mesa card and step direction control

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
Those are really expensive. I'm now sold on Bergerda drives from China. I deal directly with the factory and not some middle man salesman on Ebay. My 1.8kW drive I'm retrofitting to my Spindle was half that price. FedEx shipping was the painful part. They won't ship surface unless the

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/05/2020 11:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Anyone ever run into this sort of thing with a G213V driver? http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/G213V-Failure.jpg It was running the Knee with a 1200 oz-in motor and 60VDC power supply. Typical result of a high-resistance connection getting hot.

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread John Dammeyer
Thanks everyone. The invoice for this drive is dated 07JUN2011. The drive was in use for most of that time with the step/dir from an extra ELS I had around. Saved cranking up/down with a handle that didn't fit well. Last spring I started on the CNC conversion and I have a photo from mid

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Dave Cole
I agree, however I wonder how long you have to wait until the Phoenix connector rises again???  ;-) And perhaps it needs to be further burnt to complete "ashes" ?? Perhaps a call to the Phoenix connector support hotline is in order? ;-) Dave On 4/6/2020 9:58 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Mon,

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Rafael Skodlar
John, On 2020-04-05 21:24, John Dammeyer wrote: Anyone ever run into this sort of thing with a G213V driver? http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/G213V-Failure.jpg This is typical for poor connection in environment with mechanical vibrations as in CNC. Gecko driver itself has nothing to do with

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 14:22, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > I've seen Phoenix connectors fail similarly on step motor drives. But they > usually went noticeably intermittent long before they looked quite that bad. I wonder if that is a real or fake Phoenix connector? -- atp "A motorcycle is a

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 14:55, andy pugh wrote: > I wonder if that is a real or fake Phoenix connector? I suppose you will know if a new connector arises from the ashes. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses,

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Todd Zuercher
I've seen Phoenix connectors fail similarly on step motor drives. But they usually went noticeably intermittent long before they looked quite that bad. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: John Dammeyer Date: 4/6/20 12:25 AM (GMT-05:00) To:

Re: [Emc-users] closing the loop in linuxcnc with a 7i76 mesa card and step direction control

2020-04-06 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
> > I also have a slant bed cnc lathe here that I am going to retrofit next. I > will need at least 2 axis of stepgens and a 0-10 volt spindle output. I > will want to bring the encoders back to the control on this also so need at > least 2 encoder counters plus spindle encoder. The reason I go

Re: [Emc-users] Gecko Failure

2020-04-06 Thread Dave Cole
I'd contact Geckodrive and send them that picture. Dave On 4/6/2020 12:24 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: Anyone ever run into this sort of thing with a G213V driver? http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/G213V-Failure.jpg It was running the Knee with a 1200 oz-in motor and 60VDC power supply. John