I got burnt by Alibre some years back with their entry level version.
I would never trust them again.
Cheers, Phill.
> On 18 Sep 2020, at 2:01 pm, Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> I just checked, the $199 version of Alibre is almost useless. It does not
> even have Bolian operations and no CAM.
As I just wrote, after looking I find the only affordable CAM systems that
can do more than 3-axis are Fusion360 at $500 (on sale now for $270) and
Solidworks which id free with EAA membership.
2.5 axis systems are easier to find and it seems FreeCAD does that.
The free version of F360 is now to
I just checked, the $199 version of Alibre is almost useless. It does not
even have Bolian operations and no CAM.At $750 you get a 2.5 axis CAM
system and prices go up higher for more features
FreeCAD does as much as the $750 Alibre.
To do more it seems the best option is either $500 for
I'm not paying $1000 year for AlibreCAM but then I don't have more than the 4th
axis package nor the lathe feature.
The basic AlibreCAD comes with a simple CAM module.I doubt the low end
Alibre for under $200 has CAM since that comes from MecSoft.
MecSoft also has CAM support for
In your case, you might want DS Solidworks. I've been reading CAD system
specs and web sites for hours now and the ones that do have CAM are
limited. Except for Solidworks. They use SW to make things like rocket
engines for SpaceX boosters and car plants at GM.
SW can drive a 5-axis mill but I
How do you generate gcode from Alibre? I found
https://www.alibre.com/ecosystem-cam/ and AlibreCAM appears to be $1000/year
to over $21,000. I can afford $199 one time but an annual licence costing
thousands is not in my budget!
> -Original Message-
> From: John Dammeyer
Greetings all;
CAD isn't my strong suite as you all know.
However, poking the beast with a stick just for S tonight, I may have
modified the stl for the flexgear to give it thicker walls. So I
exported just that piece as an .stl, and ran it thru cura, so yet
another copy is building, with an
> The feature they are taking away is the ability to save your files to an
> industry-standard STEP file. Unless you pay for a license.
That's one that's going to hit me. I always expected the free version to
disappear, so I never invested much time in the CAD. I've been using F360 to
import
Gene,
First, let me retract what I said about Fusion360. We have until Oct 1,
2020, to save files to .STEP and move on.
If you want to meet other guys who also know about old radio transmit tubes
joint the "funwithtubes" email list. It is a mix, some 80-year-old ex
station engineers and some
There's always the less functional https://www.alibre.com/atom3d/
If can export step and stl files. You pay for it and use it off line. Less
than $200.
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com]
> Sent: September-17-20 5:04 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine
Fusion360 just made changes that in my opinion kill the product for
personal use. You can not save your work locally as a STEP file after
October 1, 2020.So download your stuff now.
OnShape and Solidworks look like good options.
Solidworks is used for thinks like rocket engine design at
On Thursday 17 September 2020 17:10:08 Chris Albertson wrote:
> > Your designs are yours according to copyright law. Any EULA that
> > says otherwise or holds that data for ransom should not be signed,
> > to me its a full stop, back away. If you can't save your work, in a
> > standard format
On 9/17/20 11:30 AM, dave engvall wrote:
Chris,
You might try Synergy, does the whole ball of wax. Not too expensive.
Takes time to learn. Parasolids based. 2D, 2.5D, 3D, wireframe,
solids, turning and probably something i missed. Unusual feature is
extrusion screws.
Runs on linux; will run
The feature they are taking away is the ability to save your files to an
industry-standard STEP file. Unless you pay for a license.
You have until Oct 1 to download your files.
I read that the EAA server crashed recently. Apparently many Fusion users
are moving there.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020
>
>
> Your designs are yours according to copyright law. Any EULA that says
> otherwise or holds that data for ransom should not be signed, to me its
> a full stop, back away. If you can't save your work, in a standard
> format understood by other similar SW, on your own storage media, full
>
I ran Fusion for over a year on the free "startup" license until it
expired. I had downloaded my files to local storage so I had them to use in
the future. I later returned to Fusion on a monthly basis to continue some
work and found all my files were still intact when I reactivated my
account.
On Thursday 17 September 2020 10:11:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 17 September 2020 08:28:00 andy pugh wrote:
> > Consider using VOLATILE_HOME
> >
> > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_
> >nu m_gt_section
>
> Thanks Andy.
>
> But then I'll need to "net"
On Thursday 17 September 2020 15:23:00 Glenn Edwards wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> Yes and No. ASME, like EAA, would act as a distributor or reseller.
> ASME has a membership problem, declining badly over the years, and
> needs a way of attracting new blood especially the recent grads and
> independent
> You're looking at this from the end user perspective. Yes, it would be
> very appreciated if the ASME included a $4000 software license as a
> benefit of membership. I think the correct perspective for analyzing
> this is the vendor's perspective as they decide who pays what for their
>
Bruce,
Yes and No. ASME, like EAA, would act as a distributor or reseller. ASME
has a membership problem, declining badly over the years, and needs a way
of attracting new blood especially the recent grads and independent
consultants: many of whom are underemployed at this time. And SW pricing
On 9/17/20 2:33 PM, Glenn Edwards wrote:
> I am a member of ASME and they should be doing something like
> this- I will contact my local chapter.
You're looking at this from the end user perspective. Yes, it would be
very appreciated if the ASME included a $4000 software license as a
benefit
SW's compatibility is listed here:
https://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/SystemRequirements.html
SWs 2015 was the first version to have Win10 support, so you should be able
to port your copy.
Mark
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 11:24 AM Glenn Edwards
wrote:
> Listening in on this email trail it's
Interesting. I am a member of ASME and they should be doing something like
this- I will contact my local chapter.
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 11:14 AM Chris Albertson
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Mark Johnsen wrote:
>
> >
> > At $40/year with the EAA, that seems too good to
> ...
> The problem with open source CAD is you need a sponsor. The best example
> is when KiCAD picked on CERN (The big European physic lab) as a paying
> sponsor. The quality of KiCAD jumped upward dramatically when they were
> able to hire full-time people.
Or time. picked CERN as paying
Listening in on this email trail it's pretty clear the subscription model
the vendors are moving toward have gotchas for the users. Before you
decide to quit you had better back everything up to a neutral format: STEP
for solids and PDF or DXF for the drawings. I 'own' SolidWorks2015 but it
is
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Mark Johnsen wrote:
>
> At $40/year with the EAA, that seems too good to be true.
>
So far EAA has 8,200 SW users and a very active forum where they
communicate. It is actually true. Thousands of members are using it.
SW is not $40. $40 goes to EAA and SW is
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com]
> This list is about tools. But tools are pretty worthless unless you use
> them to make stuff. If all the things you can build in a shop airplanes
> have to be the over-the-top most expensive and difficult if you build them
> one at a
I have a F360 license - single seat locked in at $350 per year. List price is
$495. AD seems to run promotions once or twice a year. Right now you can get it
for ~$300. Less I think if you buy 3 years upfront. What I remember from the
ads I’m getting.
Remember F360 (and I’m pretty sure the SW
The problem is keeping Fusion 360 going does requires about 40 full-time
staff. Fusion 360 has about a 6% or 7% market share but the vast majority
of users are not paying.The company can afford the loss because they
also sell Autocad.
The problem with open source CAD is you need a sponsor.
> From: Eric Keller [mailto:keller...@gmail.com]
> Sent: September-17-20 10:16 AM
> Last time I checked, many years ago now, solidworks without simulations was
> $4k. They have sometimes not offered that split and it was $8k with the
> simulations. I feel like it hasn't gotten cheaper. Anyone
I just looked it up. Your prices are still accurate but there is a $1,300
per year maintenance and support fee also. So you pay $4k or $8K up front
one-time. Then maintenance and support for as long as you continue to use
the software.
For the intended user base this reasonable. It adds
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:13 AM John Dammeyer
wrote:
>
> But how much per year does a license really cost? Or to put it in a much
> more eloquent currency, how many bottles of good Scotch do you have to give
> up per year for it?
>
> A full paid-up commercial license for Fusion 360 is $495 per
I had SWs Premium in 2015-ish and it was a deal at $6k per copy and I think
$2k per year maintenance. That included simulation in the premium version,
I think there's another add-on that costs $$ as well, but forget...
At $40/year with the EAA, that seems too good to be true.
I had used HSM
Unless the plane has sentimental value, you should sell it.
Actually buying a project is a great why to build a plane. The Ospry 2
has been around long enough that it is well known
I started work on an Acro Sport II. A very conventional biplane but then
came getting married and family and so
Last time I checked, many years ago now, solidworks without simulations was
$4k. They have sometimes not offered that split and it was $8k with the
simulations. I feel like it hasn't gotten cheaper. Anyone have a recent
price?
Eric Keller
Boalsburg, Pennsylvania
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 1:13 PM
> From: N [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com]
> Watchout, if they discover you use it for anything commercial maybe they come
> and want the full fee.
What's the fee for small usage? The key change they've made is the inability
to export step or iges files to other CAD systems. You have
> > ...
> > > I used to use Fusion 360 ... I wasn�t prepared to pay the $50 per month
> > > so I lost all my
> > > Fusion drawings. Be careful!!!
> >
> > I had the same issue with Alibre once, so don't really trust them either.
> >
> As was expected, I believe AlibreCAD was always designed to
Watchout, if they discover you use it for anything commercial maybe they come
and want the full fee.
> Was it on this list yet? If you join EAA for $40 per year you get full
> access to Solidworks Premium as well as training and certification. This
> is not a stripped-down trial version but
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com]
> Was it on this list yet? If you join EAA for $40 per year you get full
> access to Solidworks Premium as well as training and certification. This
> is not a stripped-down trial version but the full-up system that is
> widely used in
Chris,
You might try Synergy, does the whole ball of wax. Not too expensive.
Takes time to learn. Parasolids based. 2D, 2.5D, 3D, wireframe, solids,
turning and probably something i missed. Unusual feature is extrusion
screws.
Runs on linux; will run on Windows but you lose a few features.
I just posted a legal way to get Solidworks for $40 which is close enough
to free.
Back to Fusion360. You should not have lost your drawings. They can be
saved locally as .STEP files. Step files are universal and can be imported
to just about any CAD system.
Yes they do charge for Fusion if
With a properly sharpened tool - and a bit more hp - you could plunge a
cutter to make the shape.. (like a circular shaper..)
I did it on the emco but the quality wasn't as nice.. (partly the
rigidity and partly the cutter grind) so - that is way faster...
Was it on this list yet? If you join EAA for $40 per year you get full
access to Solidworks Premium as well as training and certification. This
is not a stripped-down trial version but the full-up system that is
widely used in the automotive and aerospace industry. The only limitation
is they
As always both videos are very impressive. Although I think Andy Pugh would
just move his lathe chuck onto his Harmonic Drive 4th axis and make the square
in far less than 7 minutes.
Maybe a competition? On your marks. Get set. Go!
Very cool Sam! One day maybe I'll be able to do it too.
> -Original Message-
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
> Sent: September-17-20 1:49 AM
> To: phodg...@uk22.net; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAD for parts to make on a lathe
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 09:40, wrote:
>
> > I used to use Fusion
On 09/17/2020 03:37 AM, peterjohnhodg...@gmail.com wrote:
I used to use Fusion 360 but they stopped my free licence
when they looked at my website and found I did some ‘job
shopping’ _regardless of turn over_. I wasn’t prepared to
pay the $50 per month so I lost all my Fusion drawings. Be
On Thursday 17 September 2020 08:28:00 andy pugh wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 10:34, Gene Heskett
wrote:
> > halui.joint.0.unhome
>
> Consider using VOLATILE_HOME
>
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_nu
>m_gt_section
Thanks Andy.
But then I'll need to
Thought I would test a square - adding a radius to the corner certainly
helped the path following. (I think this was .030")
https://youtu.be/Q9zhi8Mc1fE
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:03 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 03 May 2020 14:34:24 Sam Sokolik wrote:
>
> > https://youtu.be/PtD9w6lp8n8
>
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 10:34, Gene Heskett wrote:
> halui.joint.0.unhome
Consider using VOLATILE_HOME
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_num_gt_section
--
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of
Greetings all;
Why is this command, used as a target in a halfile net statement
halui.joint.0.unhome
rejected as a mode related error?
The condition leading to this error is:
one of the stepper/servo's has been mechanically stopped and the driver
has done a shutdown, relaying that fault to
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 09:40, wrote:
> I used to use Fusion 360 ... I wasn’t prepared to pay the $50 per month so I
> lost all my
> Fusion drawings. Be careful!!!
I had the same issue with Alibre once, so don't really trust them either.
But saying "Don't use CAM, use hand-coding" seems a bit
I use Alibre Atom 3D CAD package which I find excellent and is a very
cheap one time purchase. There is a CAM package too but it’s more
expensive.
I used to use Fusion 360 but they stopped my free licence when they
looked at my website and found I did some ‘job shopping’ _regardless of
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 07:12, Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> Fusion 360 can generate g-code for mills and lathes. It's free even for
> commercial use until you make $50K using it.
Though the internet is aflame with news that Autodesk have announced
that they have turned evil (as predited) with the
Hi Ron,
Here is how I searched for what you are trying to do if I understand you
right.
CLI is the best way to manage software in my experience. I rarely use
GUI utility even in Kubuntu workstation.
As a root in my Kubuntu I have the following aliases:
alias acse='apt-cache search '
alias
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