Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/21/2015 6:44 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2015-02-21 15:16 GMT+02:00 Tobias Gogolin : >> I am suggesting small geared brushless motors > > Gearing will introduce backlash. Linear delta machine may have > end-effector vs actuator travel ratio up to 2:1, depending on rod > length vs delta radius

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/21/2015 6:16 AM, Tobias Gogolin wrote: > So after understanding that a linear driven delta 3D Printer is the most > attractive tool to have in ones repertoire me and a friend, who has already > previous cnc mill building experience decided to get serious, and there is > one disagreement, he th

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/21/2015 05:27 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 22 February 2015 at 00:17, Tobias Gogolin wrote: > >> One reply mentions the Ramps1.4 system; I wonder is the translation done >> between linear delta motion control and Euclidean G-code, or is non >> Euclidean G-Code used? > > http://www.linuxcnc.o

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread andy pugh
On 22 February 2015 at 00:17, Tobias Gogolin wrote: > I imagine that gear backlash can be measured and if its not captured by an > encoder on the geared down axis, it should at least in software be > considered for every change of direction. Is there such an option? > There is: look at BACKLASH

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Tobias Gogolin
Thanks to everybody who replied so far for the rays of light! Maybe I should admit that I have difficulty to imagine the algorithm to translate from 3 linear axis of a delta printer to the 'euclidean' 3d space that the model will be printed in, therefore I also don't really begin to guess what kind

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:11:36 AM Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 02/21/2015 07:29 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > > snip > > > >> On a 3D printer, free of cutting forces, I figure microstepping > >> would be OK at constant velocity, but rubbe

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:29:56 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > snip > > > On a 3D printer, free of cutting forces, I figure microstepping would > > be OK at constant velocity, but rubbery under strong acceleration. > > At least it's only ful

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:22:15 AM Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 21.02.15 09:27, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The disadvantages are that they will continuously burn from 25% to > > 50% of their running power even if being driven by smart controllers > > that can reduce the drive when they have s

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/21/2015 07:16 AM, Tobias Gogolin wrote: > So after understanding that a linear driven delta 3D Printer is the most > attractive tool to have in ones repertoire me and a friend, who has already > previous cnc mill building experience decided to get serious, and there is > one disagreement, he

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 02/21/2015 07:29 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > snip >> >> On a 3D printer, free of cutting forces, I figure microstepping would be >> OK at constant velocity, but rubbery under strong acceleration. At least >> it's only full steps that you can pe

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Erik Christiansen wrote: snip > > On a 3D printer, free of cutting forces, I figure microstepping would be > OK at constant velocity, but rubbery under strong acceleration. At least > it's only full steps that you can permanently lose. > Actually step motors lose steps in mu

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.02.15 09:27, Gene Heskett wrote: > The disadvantages are that they will continuously burn from 25% to 50% of > their running power even if being driven by smart controllers that can > reduce the drive when they have stopped. And the discrete steps they > make, which with smart controlers

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 08:16:07 AM Tobias Gogolin wrote: > So after understanding that a linear driven delta 3D Printer is the > most attractive tool to have in ones repertoire me and a friend, who > has already previous cnc mill building experience decided to get > serious, and there is on

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread John Thornton
Are you thinking servos because your building a giant delta? There are thousands of users that build Kossel deltas with a Ramps 1.4 Power and Nema 17 steppers. In fact that is what I'm planning on building as soon as the Chinese New Year is over. http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/ JT O

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 February 2015 at 13:16, Tobias Gogolin wrote: > he thinks he would be fine with inexpensive steppers, I > am suggesting small geared brushless motors, so I am hoping for an expert > opinion > The internet is full of opinions, but it is hard to decide how expert they are :-) There are thou

Re: [Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-21 15:16 GMT+02:00 Tobias Gogolin : > I am suggesting small geared brushless motors Gearing will introduce backlash. Linear delta machine may have end-effector vs actuator travel ratio up to 2:1, depending on rod length vs delta radius proportion, so any backlash in actuator means even lar

[Emc-users] Delta 3D printer with servo drive?

2015-02-21 Thread Tobias Gogolin
So after understanding that a linear driven delta 3D Printer is the most attractive tool to have in ones repertoire me and a friend, who has already previous cnc mill building experience decided to get serious, and there is one disagreement, he thinks he would be fine with inexpensive steppers, I a