Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 February 2015 at 06:59, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have some link to show some particular example? The ones I have seen have all been custom. There is often one between the drive gears and leadscrew and power shaft on a lathe. The one I have replaced the pin in

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-10 13:27 GMT+02:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 10 February 2015 at 11:02, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I actually wanted to do something like this in the beginning, but I did not find a way, how to calculate the required diameter of such a pin - first of all

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-10 12:42 GMT+02:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 10 February 2015 at 06:59, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have some link to show some particular example? The ones I have seen have all been custom. There is often one between the drive gears and leadscrew and

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 February 2015 at 11:02, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I actually wanted to do something like this in the beginning, but I did not find a way, how to calculate the required diameter of such a pin - first of all that depends on material to be used This sprocket has

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-09 Thread Karlsson Wang
A spring or this kind of claw coupling with rubber in between? On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 20:39:04 +0200 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-06 20:25 GMT+02:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: I'd be quite amazed if someone actually builds a slip clutch on that sort of a

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-09 Thread Karlsson Wang
PTO shaft have it. I heard the noise dawn during summertime from one of neighbors then I was younger. I think it works, as far as I know he died for other reasons. On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:22:21 -0600 Ed ate...@mwt.net wrote: On 02/06/2015 07:26 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I would

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-09 Thread andy pugh
On 6 February 2015 at 13:26, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: The goal is to limit the max torque between sprocket and shaft to 100 Nm. If this is just for safety, why not a shear-pin coupling? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-09 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-10 0:42 GMT+02:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 6 February 2015 at 13:26, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: The goal is to limit the max torque between sprocket and shaft to 100 Nm. If this is just for safety, why not a shear-pin coupling? I thought about something

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday, February 07, 2015 02:46:11 AM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/6/2015 11:25 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] A common mode of automotive clutch failure is those springs breaking, especially when a driver tends to drop the clutch too fast when taking off from a stop. The only time I ever

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-07 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
It is possible to buy ordinary three phase induction motors with built in brake. On 2/6/2015 11:25 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Perhaps one could mount a small auto flywheel and clutch assembly on the bullgear output shaft, and drive the platform from the input shaft of the transmission that

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-07 16:59 GMT+02:00 Nicklas Karlsson nicklas.karls...@karlssonwang.se: It is possible to buy ordinary three phase induction motors with built in brake. Using motor with a brake and use planetary gearbox was my second option. I dropped it as unviable, because: 1) max torque should be

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 February 2015 at 14:59, Nicklas Karlsson nicklas.karls...@karlssonwang.se wrote: It is possible to buy ordinary three phase induction motors with built in brake. In fact I did so by mistake. The motor on my Rivett lathe is a Demag. They make cranes. I asked the vendor if it was a

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 February 2015 at 18:25, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I'd be quite amazed if someone actually builds a slip clutch on that sort of a scale where the thing might have 2+ tons to stop. I would expect to have to make it. Be amazed :-) The link I posted quotes Torque range 1 to

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread rayj
Is the table driven both ways during normal operation? If not, might the problem be solved by a simple drive/driven lug setup that would allow the table to continue to move. Of course the lugs would have to be reengaged after the event. If I missed this detail in the earlier posts, please

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday, February 06, 2015 01:47:57 PM andy pugh wrote: On 6 February 2015 at 18:25, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I'd be quite amazed if someone actually builds a slip clutch on that sort of a scale where the thing might have 2+ tons to stop. I would expect to have to make it.

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Ed
On 02/06/2015 07:26 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European manufacturer/reseller for reasonably priced friction torque limiters. I mean someting like this: http://www.nuteckcouplings.com/torque-limiters.html The goal is to limit the max

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Robert Ash
Responding to: I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European manufacturer/reseller for reasonably priced friction torque limiters. I mean someting like this: http://www.nuteckcouplings.com/torque-limiters.html I have one of these, mounted on a worm drive, it's sitting on my reuse

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/6/2015 11:25 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Perhaps one could mount a small auto flywheel and clutch assembly on the bullgear output shaft, and drive the platform from the input shaft of the transmission that fits the disk by milling off the rear of the tramnsmission, and using the bell housing

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 2/6/2015 10:19 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 6 February 2015 at 17:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I need torque limiter to protect the worm gearbox in case of power failure, Good thinking, people tend to forget about the stored energy in the system when making calculations.

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Dave Caroline
I believe http://www.warnerelectric.com/torque-limiters.asp has european distribution too Dave On 06/02/2015, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European manufacturer/reseller for reasonably priced friction torque limiters. I

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Not sure, what do you mean. I need torque limiter to protect the worm gearbox in case of power failure, when it is rotating 2 ton platform, VFD would handle acceleration/deceleration during normal operation. Thank you, guys, for the links, already sent few enquiries, hopefully there will be some

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 February 2015 at 17:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I need torque limiter to protect the worm gearbox in case of power failure, Good thinking, people tend to forget about the stored energy in the system when making calculations. As my dad says (and he saw a _lot_ of

[Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European manufacturer/reseller for reasonably priced friction torque limiters. I mean someting like this: http://www.nuteckcouplings.com/torque-limiters.html The goal is to limit the max torque between sprocket and shaft to 100 Nm. I have

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Rick
Check this out, http://www.emersonindustrial.com/en-US/powertransmissionsolutions/products/drive-components/torque-overload-devices/morse-torque-limiters/Pages/default.aspx On 2/6/2015 8:26 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 February 2015 at 13:26, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could suggest European manufacturer/reseller for reasonably priced friction torque limiters. http://www.techdrives.co.uk/html/torque_limiters.html (just googling, I haven't used

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
There is a strong correlation between torque and current in an Electric motor. For DC motors and servo motors it should be relatively simple to implement but I do not Think there is any simple solution to Control current in an ordinary cheap induction motor. Nicklas Karlsson Hello! I would

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday, February 06, 2015 12:11:45 PM Viesturs Lācis wrote: Not sure, what do you mean. I need torque limiter to protect the worm gearbox in case of power failure, when it is rotating 2 ton platform, VFD would handle acceleration/deceleration during normal operation. Thank you, guys, for

Re: [Emc-users] Friction torque limiter

2015-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2015-02-06 20:25 GMT+02:00 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: I'd be quite amazed if someone actually builds a slip clutch on that sort of a scale where the thing might have 2+ tons to stop. I would expect to have to make it. It is supposed to rotate at 1 rad/s with 1 rad/s^2 acceleration. If