Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-11 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 06/10/2014 12:30 PM, Dave Cole wrote: Is buying a machine like that really worthwhile? Socialist design never impressed me; delivered in bad crate even less. My experience with Chinese made lathe was so bad I would never buy from them again. When you see it from close and start using it

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:54:27 -0500, you wrote: Dave, Steve was about right. For what we paid for the machine we would be hard-pressed to gather the parts and materials (steel, rails, rack/pinions, motors, servo drivers, power supply, 3kW water-cooled spindle, VFD, 10 hp vacuum pump, vacuum

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-11 Thread Lester Caine
On 11/06/14 02:46, Greg Bernard wrote: How much did it end up costing with the shipping? I'd be interested in that one as well. I've a job that subbing the machining is making uneconomic, and doing it in house could make it practical. And shipping time ... I'm STILL waiting on some Taig mills

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-11 Thread Dave Cole
It sounds like it came with a bunch of decent parts. Panasonic servos should be nice. Some Chinese motors are little better than scrap, others are fine. The thing that would concern me the most would be the weldment base assembly. If that base is not square and flat, and the rails parallel

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You have to love these guys for all the metal they put into these machines. I have done several conversion of these kind of machines to lcnc and mach3. You can have a very close look at the drivers as I have found many of them not worth the space that they occupy. I normally through them out

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 June 2014 12:56:23 Chris Kelley did opine And Gene did reply: Here at the Labs we recently bought a Chinese 4'X8' CNC router ( http://www.signstech.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=448) to replace the painfully slow, and awkwardly sized, 3'X5' router that was built years ago by one of our

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Pete Matos
That looks like a nice beefy machine. Hopefully its chinese roots won't show too much and it will be accurate too. Good luck I would love to have a CNC router like that in the shop. I have often considered getting one for myself to go along with the VMC. Peace Pete On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Dave Cole
Is buying a machine like that really worthwhile? After you remove the dents, repaint the machine to cover the damage, replace the controls etc. Why not just build a machine from scratch? If the crating was bad its quite possible that the frame could be tweaked also. I've heard of stories

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:30:20 -0400, you wrote: Is buying a machine like that really worthwhile? Yes IMO. After you remove the dents, repaint the machine to cover the damage, replace the controls etc. Why not just build a machine from scratch? Much more expensive. If you build a new one, you

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread andy pugh
On 11 June 2014 01:54, Chris Kelley tensait...@gmail.com wrote: The servo drives still only take step and direction signals so while we can't close the loop back to LCNC That's not necessarily true. You can see step-dir as just another velocity command method, like analogue voltage or PWM.

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Greg Bernard
AM Subject: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion Here at the Labs we recently bought a Chinese 4'X8' CNC router ( http://www.signstech.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=448) to replace the painfully slow, and awkwardly sized, 3'X5' router that was built years ago by one of our members. After

Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Todd Zuercher
, June 10, 2014 9:07:49 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion On 11 June 2014 01:54, Chris Kelley tensait...@gmail.com wrote: The servo drives still only take step and direction signals so while we can't close the loop back to LCNC That's not necessarily true. You can