Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread andrew beck
Jon machine is going mint. I don't currently have encoders connected back to the control but I did. The motors are tuned mint. It's just the table mass at the acceleration jumps a bit when moved. I might just enable reducing feed rate at corners in fusion360 cam for now if I can. I want the

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
> On Thursday 23 July 2020 13:34:48 Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > > > > On Thursday 23 July 2020 07:53:45 andy pugh wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID > > > > > > output to

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 23 July 2020 13:34:48 Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > > On Thursday 23 July 2020 07:53:45 andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID > > > > > output to the motors? > >

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 18:30, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Limit3 function is what trajector planner must follow if acceleration is > allowed to change instantly, if jerk could be changed instantly it had to > follw a limit4 function ... > In doubt Limit3 function is useful in between PID and

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
> On Thursday 23 July 2020 07:53:45 andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson > > > > wrote: > > > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output > > > > to the motors? > > > > > > Integrator should ideally have anti-windup. > > > > Anti-windup

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson > wrote: > > > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output to > > > the motors? > > > > Integrator should ideally have anti-windup. > > Anti-windup is a little different. > > I was actually thinking about experimenting

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/23/2020 12:00 AM, andrew beck wrote: Yes I'm not worried about servo following error spikes. But I'm shaking my whole machine to death. As the acceleration is instantly on. In contrast a friend's okuma can go at 40m/min without shaking. Which is amazing to watch. They are both similar

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 23 July 2020 07:53:45 andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson > > wrote: > > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output > > > to the motors? > > > > Integrator should ideally have anti-windup. > > Anti-windup is a little

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Andrew
чт, 23 лип. 2020 о 14:58 andy pugh пише: > I was actually thinking about experimenting with a limit3 HAL > component between the PID and the PWM. > KFLOP has lowpass filter http://dynomotion.com/Help/KMotionCNC/TrajectoryPlanner.htm WBR, Andrew ___

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output to > > the motors? > > Integrator should ideally have anti-windup. Anti-windup is a little different. I was actually thinking about experimenting with a limit3 HAL

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
> > I have been noticing a bit of jumping around > > when doing parallel finishing 3d passed on it at high speed. > > I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output to > the motors? Integrator should ideally have anti-windup. Know about and how it should be implemented?

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 21:54, andrew beck wrote: > > I have been noticing a bit of jumping around > when doing parallel finishing 3d passed on it at high speed. I wonder what effect could be had by rate-limiting the PID output to the motors? You would expect it to increase following-error (but

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-23 Thread dave engvall
A couple of sources: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/softdmc.pdf  50 us cycle -:) Some years ago a masters candidate in ME at UBC did her thesis on motion control with jerk limiting and sine wave accel. I used to have a copy of it but cannot find it. IIRC is would be post 2005 and

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-22 Thread andrew beck
Yes I'm not worried about servo following error spikes. But I'm shaking my whole machine to death. As the acceleration is instantly on. In contrast a friend's okuma can go at 40m/min without shaking. Which is amazing to watch. They are both similar size On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 9:42 AM Nicklas

Re: [Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-22 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
> hey guys > > I have a relatively high speed machine (3kw motors 16mm pitch ballscrews) > 35mm linear rails, and weights 5.8 ton. I think it used to go 20m/min > with the heidenhain control. I have been noticing a bit of jumping around > when doing parallel finishing 3d passed on it at high

[Emc-users] wondering what the status is on S curve jerk control getting added into linuxcnc

2020-07-22 Thread andrew beck
hey guys I have a relatively high speed machine (3kw motors 16mm pitch ballscrews) 35mm linear rails, and weights 5.8 ton. I think it used to go 20m/min with the heidenhain control. I have been noticing a bit of jumping around when doing parallel finishing 3d passed on it at high speed. and