Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-14 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 16:10, Joachim Franek joachim.fra...@pibf.de wrote: 1. USB Assume I attach a spi device to ftdi and have a userspace non rt program which can read/write to the device. What do you suggest to exchange data with hal for not really time critical data (like this case of

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-14 Thread cogoman
On 06/11/2012 11:56 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: But that is also a 15V part IIRC. But that's ok - the only reason the Makerbot uses a PC power supply is because they are dirt cheap and TUV certified. You can use any supply you want. I use 15V supplies. OK, that was my main concern. I just

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Ed Nisley
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 22:07 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: it supports two extruders It has only one thermocouple input, so I'm not sure how you'd control the second extruder head temperature. Being an Arduino, it does have half a dozen analog inputs for thermistors. I don't know whether the stock

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Joachim Franek
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 12:42:01 Ed Nisley wrote: There's been some work on reading analog values from various microcontrollers into HAL through USB. That'd be the hard part of the job, Why not use a dmm with rs232 or usb? There are some available with a thermocouple input. Joachim

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Ed Nisley
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 13:22 +0200, Joachim Franek wrote: Why not use a dmm with rs232 or usb? A quick glance at the search results suggests that the combination of thermocouple and usb runs about $100 direct from China and *much* more than that from a reputable supplier. You'd need a pair for

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 12:55, Ed Nisley ed.08.nis...@pobox.com wrote: A quick glance at the search results suggests that the combination of thermocouple and usb runs about $100 direct from China and *much* more than that from a reputable supplier. A K-type thermocouple gives you 40uV/K For 150C

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 13:36, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I found a 16-bit ADC with an 8x pre-amp I forgot to say, it's about $2. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/adc/6696098/ You would need to do linearisation in HAL (trivial-ish) and be a bit cunning with the cold-junction compensation

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Joachim Franek
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 14:36:52 andy pugh wrote: On 12 June 2012 12:55, Ed Nisley ed.08.nis...@pobox.com wrote: A quick glance at the search results suggests that the combination of thermocouple and usb runs about $100 direct from China and *much* more than that from a reputable

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 14:20, Joachim Franek joachim.fra...@pibf.de wrote: libmpsse Does that hook in to HAL in a convenient way? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Joachim Franek
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 13:55:13 Ed Nisley wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 13:22 +0200, Joachim Franek wrote: Why not use a dmm with rs232 or usb? A quick glance at the search results suggests that the combination of thermocouple and usb runs about $100 direct from China and *much* more

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Joachim Franek
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 15:54:55 andy pugh wrote: On 12 June 2012 14:20, Joachim Franek joachim.fra...@pibf.de wrote: libmpsse Does that hook in to HAL in a convenient way? Today no. libmpsse makes tho usage of libusb easier for spi devices. I hope to have a normal programm to get the

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 June 2012 15:11, Joachim Franek joachim.fra...@pibf.de wrote: I want to look to the lcnc code for the userspace driver for hid devices. This works nice with spancenavd for the 3dspacenavigator. Have you tried using hal_input to read it? It might just work if the USB chip looks like a

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-12 Thread Joachim Franek
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 16:18:18 andy pugh wrote: Have you tried using hal_input to read it? It might just work if the USB chip looks like a HID device at all. No, I do not have tried this because this is not a hid device. This is a usb to rs232 converter and detaching the ftdi_sio driver

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 June 2012 01:09, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g251x.html       $89 I think this is overkill for an extruder, which is only ever going to move relatively slowly. You would almost certainly be fine with one of the

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
If you're going to get any kind of Gecko for this application get a G540 - handles all your axes at once (except the second head). But that is also a 15V part IIRC. But that's ok - the only reason the Makerbot uses a PC power supply is because they are dirt cheap and TUV certified. You can use

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread melamy
I just put together one of the mk7 extruders over the weekend. It is a great choice from my perspective anyway. The gecko driver will work fine. You will need a 820 ohm and 20 ohm resistor (put them in series) to set the current to the motor to 840ma. The driver will supply a constant current

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Joachim Franek
On Monday 11 June 2012 02:09:23 Jeshua Lacock wrote: Oh, can anyone recommend a decent RS485 card that will just work with Ubuntu? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBRS485.htm But I have not tested it. Joachim

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Ed Nisley
On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:09 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: try the MakerBot extruder controller My experiences with that thing may save you some heartache confusion: http://softsolder.com/2011/01/06/thing-o-matic-extruder-controller-power-supply-improvement/

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Fox Mulder
Am 11.06.2012 19:32, schrieb Joachim Franek: On Monday 11 June 2012 02:09:23 Jeshua Lacock wrote: Oh, can anyone recommend a decent RS485 card that will just work with Ubuntu? http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBRS485.htm But I have not tested it. Joachim This board should work

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:46:26 -0700, you wrote: I ended up throwing away my cheap Chinese junk stepper drivers because they kept missing steps when coming out of idle. I run Keling KL- 4030's which are inexpensive and have worked well for me. Made me laugh.. Keling KL-4030 are cheap Chinese

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Youda He
At $48 per kilo for material, it is on the expensive side, is there a place for cheaper material? -- Youda On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:46:26 -0700, you wrote: I ended up throwing away my cheap Chinese junk stepper drivers

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:03 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 11 June 2012 01:09, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g251x.html $89 I think this is overkill for an extruder, which is only ever going to move relatively slowly. You

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:46 AM, doug metzler wrote: If you're going to get any kind of Gecko for this application get a G540 - handles all your axes at once (except the second head). Thanks Doug, I actually have servos for my XYZ. I just want to get one extruder working for now. But in the

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:22 AM, mel...@earthlink.net wrote: I just put together one of the mk7 extruders over the weekend. It is a great choice from my perspective anyway. The gecko driver will work fine. You will need a 820 ohm and 20 ohm resistor (put them in series) to set the current to

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Ed Nisley wrote: On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:09 -0600, Jeshua Lacock wrote: try the MakerBot extruder controller My experiences with that thing may save you some heartache confusion:

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jun 11, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Youda He wrote: At $48 per kilo for material, it is on the expensive side, is there a place for cheaper material? Yes, I just had that on my list because I figured it was worth starting with known quality (its made by the people that make the extruder,

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
There's a contest going on for anyone who wants to take on the pellet to filament conversion: http://hackaday.com/2012/05/22/win-4-for-squirting-plastic-out-of-a-nozzle/ I have heard that the different providers have their own recipe for the filament, so it might not be just pure ABS or PLA.

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printer Parts

2012-06-11 Thread doug metzler
Jeshua re: Are you using it on your mill, or do you have a dedicated printer for it? I built my own printer. If you go to http://www.thingiverse.com/DougM there's a piccie of it in my profile. It was my first foray into building a machine with a moving the table rather than a moving head