Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 November 2020 12:00:20 Dave Cole wrote: > I have been using Pink RV antifreeze for years in my horizontal > bandsaw.   The pump has been submersed in it for 7 years or so.    I > never goes bad and stuff never seems to grow in it, but it does > evaporate slowly.   I just add more.

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-12 Thread Dave Cole
I have been using Pink RV antifreeze for years in my horizontal bandsaw.   The pump has been submersed in it for 7 years or so.    I never goes bad and stuff never seems to grow in it, but it does evaporate slowly.   I just add more. I use it full strength.   The Anticorrosives in it seem to

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-10 Thread Stuart Stevenson
If it is a fungus, the first thing I would try is Boraxo. On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 8:58 AM jrmitchellj wrote: > I concur on not getting bleach anywhere near stainless steel. I am a > HomeBrewer and have lots of Stainless vessels, and I won't let Clorox > anywhere near them!. > I have seen algae

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-10 Thread jrmitchellj
I concur on not getting bleach anywhere near stainless steel. I am a HomeBrewer and have lots of Stainless vessels, and I won't let Clorox anywhere near them!. I have seen algae or other slimy growths on filter cartridges that seems to attack and swell the urethanes or silicones used to assemble

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 November 2020 08:35:03 Thaddeus Waldner wrote: > I’ve used an ultrasonic bath to clean stuff like that. Impractical. I now have a dried piece of it in a small cup, soaking in a combo of syrupy fuel system cleaner, some MEK and alcohol. That motor isn't the top notch, singing

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-10 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
I’ve used an ultrasonic bath to clean stuff like that. > On Nov 10, 2020, at 7:05 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 07:38, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I've >> put 100 psi air thru it both ways several times without dislodging the >> crap so its glued in place pretty strongly. > >

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-10 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 07:38, Gene Heskett wrote: > I've > put 100 psi air thru it both ways several times without dislodging the > crap so its glued in place pretty strongly. There are antifreezes for iron blocks and for aluminium blocks. I don't know how significant the difference is, as I

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 09 November 2020 22:58:11 dave engvall wrote: > IIRC RV grade antifreeze is propylene glycol and often flavored with a > bit of methyl salicylate. Easy to tell if you have it all flushed out. > You will be able to taste the oil of wintergreen long after the pink > dye is gone. > > Dave

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread dave engvall
IIRC RV grade antifreeze is propylene glycol and often flavored with a bit of methyl salicylate. Easy to tell if you have it all flushed out. You will be able to taste the oil of wintergreen long after the pink dye is gone. Dave On 11/7/20 6:46 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 07

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread Scott Harwell via Emc-users
Gene,    Try copper sulfate as a fungicide/ algaecide. It will not harm fish or animals. It won't help with freezing but should stop growth in the system. Scott H On Sunday, November 8, 2020, 1:51:24 PM CST, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2020 11:32:29 Chris Albertson

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread Chris Albertson
Cheap "blue label" $3 a bottle Vodka works too. People have been using that to prevent both freezing and algae growth in water systems for years. It is commonly used when people have to store boats or RV for Winter and they can never drain all the water. Clorox bleach is better and more

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 09 November 2020 12:09:20 jrmitchellj wrote: > Sounds like you have a bad algae growing in the system. I have seen > some algae go for the plastic/poly, and eventually break it down. > It may take a medium to strong caustic (Draino) solution to break it > down. But that might not be

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread jrmitchellj
Sounds like you have a bad algae growing in the system. I have seen some algae go for the plastic/poly, and eventually break it down. It may take a medium to strong caustic (Draino) solution to break it down. But that might not be very good for the internals of the motor. Without knowing what

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 08 November 2020 14:48:53 Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > I just got back from wallies, found zip to clean this crap out of the > motor, so I brought back two pleated paper fuel filters from the > outboard gizmo's shelf but made for a huge 7/16" fuel tine, so I've > got a jury rig of shrink

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 08 November 2020 11:32:29 Chris Albertson wrote: > Small aquarium pumps run 24x7 and doesn't heat the aquarium much. In > fact, you can buy an air pump and an air stone and keep the motor > completely out of the tank. The filter is powered by the rising > bubbles from the stone.

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-08 Thread Chris Albertson
Small aquarium pumps run 24x7 and doesn't heat the aquarium much. In fact, you can buy an air pump and an air stone and keep the motor completely out of the tank. The filter is powered by the rising bubbles from the stone. An electric pump of the correct size would only use < 1 Watt.A

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 08 November 2020 05:46:19 andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 at 02:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B010F9ZBEU > > > > Outrageous price too. $200 to refill my tank? Nope. :( > > That suggests that the tank is much bigger than necessary. >

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-08 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 at 02:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B010F9ZBEU > Outrageous price too. $200 to refill my tank? Nope. :( That suggests that the tank is much bigger than necessary. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 07 November 2020 23:38:28 Chris Albertson wrote: > I had a water cooling setup at my place for a few years. I used the > minimum amount of plain old automotive antifreeze which is "not much" > here in California. But even if it never gets cold here, the > antifreeze keeps stuff

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-07 Thread Chris Albertson
I had a water cooling setup at my place for a few years. I used the minimum amount of plain old automotive antifreeze which is "not much" here in California. But even if it never gets cold here, the antifreeze keeps stuff from growing in the tank. Then to take care of Gene's problem with

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 07 November 2020 20:32:17 Andy Pugh wrote: > > On 7 Nov 2020, at 23:37, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Something that's better suited for long term lack of use and uses > > distilled makeup water. But I've no clue what to use in its stead. > > Maybe waterless coolant? > >

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 07 November 2020 19:15:46 Jon Elson wrote: > On 11/07/2020 05:34 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I have just found that food grade antifreeze in the water seems to > > be a nono for long term useage as motor coolant. > > Why do you need food grade in a recirculating

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-07 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 7 Nov 2020, at 23:37, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Something that's better suited for long term lack of use and uses > distilled makeup water. But I've no clue what to use in its stead. Maybe waterless coolant? https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B010F9ZBEU As an example

Re: [Emc-users] anti-freeze recommendation for water cooled spindle motors

2020-11-07 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/07/2020 05:34 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings all; I have just found that food grade antifreeze in the water seems to be a nono for long term useage as motor coolant. Why do you need food grade in a recirculating system? How about plain old antifreeze, which has lubes and