Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 12:13 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, but my wife's health has taken a big nose dive (I just retrieved her from an outrageous neuro-surgical procedure that has her head and spine held together with titanium plate, rods, and screws) so I'm unlikely to be working on my hal graphing script or anything else related to EMC2---indefinitely. Here's hoping 2012 will be better. Regards, Kent Kent, I'm very sorry to hear about your wife. Prayers and best wishes to a speedy recovery for her. I can't imagine what she's going through with all that. Please give her our best, and also for you too, as you cope with your wife's pain and suffering. And indeed hoping for a better 2012 for you and your family. Mark -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Surface-Mount
I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY Good video, Goes over the basics of soldering SMD chips. They use flux a lot to help clean and direct the solder where to go as many carry the solder on the hot tip to the smd component and the built in rosin usually boils away. Gary K8IZ On 1/2/2012 7:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- Gary Fiber K8IZ GROL PG-19-6691 with shipboard radar endorsement Washington State resident -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:32:18 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. You will also want some solder paste, although it is also do-able by pre soldering the pads. With the solder paste, you apply the paste to the pads (no more than 5-10 mills thick over entire pad or equvalent blob in middle) Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. This take practice to not scorch the back of the card so a few practice runs soldering cheap parts is in order. You can see when the solder melts so just heat a little bit past this point. You can also do this without solder paste by pre-soldering the PCB pads. applying a lot of liquid flux and heating from behind. The disadvantage of this is that the bubbling flux will likely lift and displace the part so you need to build a fence' around the part either with scrap PCB material or wire this fence needs maybe 5 -10 mills clearance around the part to allow the part to center by surface tension, and not interfere with the part pulling down to the board hen the solder melts. If you want to do more of this tha a few protos a hot-air rework station is in order, But we do BGA protos all the time this way with great success. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 2 January 2012 15:46, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. OK, one has been on my to-buy list for a while, but so far the hairdryer has worked. You will also want some solder paste I do have solder paste. Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. I will see how I get on with the hot air gun. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:01:43 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 15:46, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. OK, one has been on my to-buy list for a while, but so far the hairdryer has worked. You will also want some solder paste I do have solder paste. Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. You can (somewhat) protect the parts from the direct hot air contact with some aluminum foil I will see how I get on with the hot air gun. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. If theres enough of a pad to see you can just use a small solderig iron tip and the solder will wick under the part (this works with TQFN type packages) It helps to have a little extra flux -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 12:13 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 1/1/2012 8:41 PM, gene heskett wrote: ... Thanks guys sending wishes for Happy Prosperous New Year to all. Further thought: How do you folks arrive at those logic diagrams shown at several locations in the Integrators Manual I just printed fresh last Thursday? It seems to me that graphing utility could be useful in spotting what I so nicely screwed up. :) Cheers Thanks, Gene Be specific to be terrific is my wife's motto. Do you mean diagrams such as Figure 8.3 Step Pulse Generator Block Diagram in the EMC2 v2.4 Integrators Manual? I didn't make that diagram but I think Dia could get you most of the way there with the symbols on several sheets (see the Cybernetics sheet, for example). It's not my favorite graphing tool but it's serviceable. As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, but my wife's health has taken a big nose dive (I just retrieved her from an outrageous neuro-surgical procedure that has her head and spine held together with titanium plate, rods, and screws) so I'm unlikely to be working on my hal graphing script or anything else related to EMC2---indefinitely. Here's hoping 2012 will be better. Regards, Kent That is a rough start for the new year Kent. Hang in there and do somethings for yourself so you can keep yourself intact. My wife has had some serious hospital time over the last 3 years. (I've lost count of the days..) I talked with a distant friend of mine recently and he told me he spent 16 days in the hospital this year trying to keep his heart in time.. Geez We used to ride a hundred miles per day on bikes when we were younger! Getting older sucks. Many hospitals have Wifi throughout the facilities now.. I'm just saying. ;-) Good Luck and thanks for everything you have done. Dave -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 02:11 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, I hope it didn't come from me! I was hoping to get something done with diagramming HAL with gEDA, but I'm taking care of my bed ridden mother now. but my wife's health has taken a big nose dive (I just retrieved her from an outrageous neuro-surgical procedure that has her head and spine held together with titanium plate, rods, and screws) so I'm unlikely to be working on my hal graphing script or anything else related to EMC2---indefinitely. OMG! Obviously. And my sympathies Kent, our ladies always come first. Mine has COPD. I assume that this not exactly a temporary condition when they have to do that extreme a procedure. I wish her the very best. Here's hoping 2012 will be better. Amen! Regards, Kent Cheers Kent, Gene I am hopping for a better 2012 too, and wishing for a speedy recovery to all those on the mend. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Monday, January 02, 2012 12:23:13 PM andy pugh did opine: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Those are generally set in place with some sort of a pick place aid, then carefully reflow soldered. If properly placed in the paste solder, they will suck themselves into perfect alignment with the pads. Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. What surface mount stuff I have dealt with was the electrolytic caps, used by the 1000's, in dvc-pro broadcast vcr's. They were accessible to a tweezer type soldering iron that GC sold for about $40, using a 500 watt powerstat to control the temps, around 55 volts seemed to be about right. But those had teeny tabs sticking out on the sides that the tips of the tweezer could touch both of at the same time. It wasn't a job for anyone with the beginnings of parkinsons. :( Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Q: Why was Stonehenge abandoned? A: It wasn't IBM compatible. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. Forgot another little tip for tough soldering situations: Preheat the board/comps to about 100C with a hot air gun/hairdrier before hand soldering. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 12:44:51 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 02:11 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, I hope it didn't come from me! I was hoping to get something done with diagramming HAL with gEDA, What I was hoping for (yeah, I know, silly boy...) was something that could recursively scan a directories *.hal file, drawing the connections, until it made a scan with no more hits, then spit out whats left as errors or missing, whatever. but I'm taking care of my bed ridden mother now. And that too obviously comes _first_, fully understood, Kirk. And I may owe some apologies here and there. I am in the somewhat rare situation of having looked at the x-rays and understanding that what I saw was a death sentence for Annie without the neurosurgeon (and a friend of mine already) having to elaborate other than saying the damage was done even if he could reach the location to remove the blood clot. Middle cerebral artery, left side she was right handed. And I have since buried the two girls she gave me, throat and stomach cancer. So I may be a bit inured to the passing of those I love the most. I can of course try to put myself in your shoes shed a few tears, I seem to do that well. I have even asked myself why am I still here, but I'm not smart enough to answer me. Now of course I have an Alberta Clipper bearing down on me with a foot of snow forecast. Very minor detail compared to this. With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is... If they do foul up, there's no law against whacking them around a little. -- Joe Martin -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. I've found a barebones box with a D525 board in it, for $120, claims to have the lpt on the back panel already. Needs a couple sticks of ddr2, a smallish sata drive and a dvd reader. http://www.outletpc.com/rj3658.html $120 kit $ 29 ram $ 80 500G sata3 drive $ 40 laptop style dvd drive, don't see how desktop would fit $ 24 keyboard/mouse with usb rf dongle _ $293 + whatever Looks like it would be a ready to install 10.04 on. What do the folks here think of this kit? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot? -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:07:53 PM Kenneth Lerman did opine: On 1/2/2012 1:16 PM, gene heskett wrote: lots of stuff snipped Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. Cheers, Gene Mini-box has... Item QuantityDescription RateAmount Tax Options 160GB 2.5 SATA HDD 1 160GB 2.5 SATA HDD 45.00 45.00 Yes MEM-SO-DDR3-2GB 1 MEM-SO-DDR3-2GB 30.00 30.00 Yes ENC-M350-PWR 1 M350 Enclosure WITH PICOPSU-80 and 60W ADAPTER KIT 69.00 69.00 Yes MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard85.00 85.00 Yes CAB-P4-POWER-MINI 1 4-Pin P4 Mini Power Cable 1.25 1.25Yes Subtotal 230.25 Shipping Cost (UPSGR) 13.22 Total $243.47 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? And is it time I bought a portable dvd writer that plugs into a usb port to do installs such with? Will it boot from a usb dvd drive? I just ordered another one of these -- although the disk price has increased slightly, it is still around $250. Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. It's a nice little package that runs without a fan. Don't forget to order the power cable that is needed to connect the power supply to the motherboard. (I forgot to do this on my first order and got an email telling me that it was needed.) You DO have to assemble it yourself, but that's pretty easy. NOTE -- I am not running EMC on this -- But I am running my phone system on one. Regards, Ken Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? Thanks Ken. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Disclose classified information only when a NEED TO KNOW exists. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, gene heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:06:25 -0500 From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. I've found a barebones box with a D525 board in it, for $120, claims to have the lpt on the back panel already. Needs a couple sticks of ddr2, a smallish sata drive and a dvd reader. http://www.outletpc.com/rj3658.html $120 kit $ 29 ram $ 80 500G sata3 drive $ 40 laptop style dvd drive, don't see how desktop would fit $ 24 keyboard/mouse with usb rf dongle _ $293 + whatever Looks like it would be a ready to install 10.04 on. What do the folks here think of this kit? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot? Be carefull with MB choices, the Intel D525 MB is known to have good latency not sure about the Foxconn. Also the Intel 525 has a parallel port out the back (no cable needed) INTEL 945 DB25 out back 510 26 pin header on MB 525 DB25 out back -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Hmmm, tricky. You need to look up the manufacturer's info on reflow soldering temperatures, first. That gives you some guidelines on what the part can take. If the PCB pads are big and stick out well past the part outline, you can make sure all pads (both component and PCB) are well tinned, and then hold the part n place with tweezers as you heat the exposed pads with the soldering iron. If the pads are completely covered by the part, you have a real dilemma! About the only way to solder these are IR reflow or hot air. A hair dryer doesn't get hot enough, a heat gun is probably too much for sensitive parts. There are hot air rework stations that are designed to do this. They have a heating element that is controlled to a reasonable temperature and an air supply that blows over the heater. Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard 85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's the purple one here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442 Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. I like these, they plug straight into an SATA socket: http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=10010116utm_source=gbuk 8GB is plenty for Ubuntu + EMC2, including the source and development dependencies. 32GB costs about 3x as much. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
gene heskett wrote: Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. I also do production work with a toaster oven! I have a ramp and soak temperature controller from Omega, and found the best control was to poke the thermocouple into a plated through hole in the board to sense actual board temperature. If I try to sense air temperature, the boards get burned black. This works amazingly well! The REAL trick, however, is getting the right amount of solder. I use 3 mil stencils (~.075mm) photo-etched from brass shim stock. For fine-pitch ICs, you have to cut down the size of the apertures WELL below the pad size. If a little too much solder is there, you get bridges. With just a little more solder, the whole chip lifts up on a moat of solder and floats out of alignment. That is a MAJOR mess to rework. For the chip-scale packages with no exposed leads, you get a lot of shorting under the chip where you can't inspect. This is a major pain to debug and rework, so after one HORRENDOUS experience with 64 of those parts per board, I have avoided that type of package. Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:29:55 PM Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, gene heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:06:25 -0500 From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. I've found a barebones box with a D525 board in it, for $120, claims to have the lpt on the back panel already. Needs a couple sticks of ddr2, a smallish sata drive and a dvd reader. http://www.outletpc.com/rj3658.html $120 kit $ 29 ram $ 80 500G sata3 drive $ 40 laptop style dvd drive, don't see how desktop would fit $ 24 keyboard/mouse with usb rf dongle _ $293 + whatever Looks like it would be a ready to install 10.04 on. What do the folks here think of this kit? Cheers, Gene Be carefull with MB choices, the Intel D525 MB is known to have good latency not sure about the Foxconn. Also the Intel 525 has a parallel port out the back (no cable needed) INTEL 945 DB25 out back 510 26 pin header on MB 525 DB25 out back Thanks Peter. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene The vast majority of successful major crimes against property are perpetrated by individuals abusing positions of trust. -- Lawrence Dalzell -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Repel them. Repel them. Induce them to relinquish the spheroid. - Indiana University fans' chant for their perennially bad football team -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 2:06 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. I've found a barebones box with a D525 board in it, for $120, claims to have the lpt on the back panel already. Needs a couple sticks of ddr2, a smallish sata drive and a dvd reader. http://www.outletpc.com/rj3658.html $120 kit $ 29 ram $ 80 500G sata3 drive $ 40 laptop style dvd drive, don't see how desktop would fit $ 24 keyboard/mouse with usb rf dongle _ $293 + whatever Looks like it would be a ready to install 10.04 on. What do the folks here think of this kit? Cheers, Gene Gene: First thoughts 1) what motherboard is it, actually? We've been talking mostly about Intel motherboards containing Intel Atom D510 and D525 processors. I also have an ASUS AT5NM10-I motherboard (with Intel Atom D510 cpu) that seems to be comparable to the Intel D510MO motherboard I used to have, if perhaps just a tick slower on the latency test (I believe both of these boards are now out of production). Don't know about other makes/models. 2) why are you willing to trust new power supplies any more than the old grin They just keep getting more cost effective. 3) why do you need the dvd drive? Seems irrelevant in a machine controller. 4) how much RAM are you talking about? I wouldn't settle for less than 1GB. 5) not a knock against this particular combo, but am I the only one who is leery of USB keyboard/mouse connections? Unfortunately, I didn't keep good notes, but I've noticed in playing with odd computers that come my way that some disrupt the latency test when I move the mouse, more so with USB mice. If I ever get some time I'd like to do some experiments. Obviously, it may be dependent on the motherboard, the cpu, the south bridge, the bios, etc., so nailing down definitive guidelines may be difficult. Good luck. Regards, Kent -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 14:12 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. ... snip I would consider nixing the optical drive and maybe the hard drive and use a USB thumb drive for installation and or normal use. Although, I have been thinking about one of these $20 drives: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=423 badblocks -svw -o hd_bad_blocks should verify if they are in good order. I'm also considering: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=813 http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=802 -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:34:16 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's the purple one here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442 Thanks Andy Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. I like these, they plug straight into an SATA socket: http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=10010116utm_source=gbuk 8GB is plenty for Ubuntu + EMC2, including the source and development dependencies. 32GB costs about 3x as much. It may be, but how long does it work with ext3? I would rather have rotating storage I can count on for a year or so. Thanks Andy Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Repel them. Repel them. Induce them to relinquish the spheroid. - Indiana University fans' chant for their perennially bad football team -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
gene heskett wrote: Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. You can get the Intel D525MW and all the accessories from directron.com, I have bought a few from them. Note that the D525MW uses 204 pin memory instead of the 240 pin used on the D510MO board. That tripped me up. Directron has all the parts you need to build a system. I used a bigger box because some of the systems I build needed a full-size PCI card. I also got a solid state disk. This seemed to work fine, has good latency numbers, and the on-board video is no problem. I'd bet you could get this from Micro Center if there's one near you, but might cost a few $ more. Assembly takes less than 10 minutes. Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 2:23 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's the purple one here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442 This is true also for my ASUS mb and I suspect for others. You just have to keep digging until you get to a description you can trust. Some descriptions and photos posted to the Internet, even by some reputable vendors, may or may not be totally accurate, and even the best vendors do a terrible job providing comparable information for each motherboard they sell. Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. I like these, they plug straight into an SATA socket: http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=10010116utm_source=gbuk 8GB is plenty for Ubuntu + EMC2, including the source and development dependencies. 32GB costs about 3x as much. 8GB is plenty for a production EMC2 machine but in tests with virtual hosts I keep running out of room with only 8GB of disk space when I try any fancy development work. 12GB is fine but not a reasonable number for a physical drive. Regards, Kent -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: If the pads are completely covered by the part, you have a real dilemma! About the only way to solder these are IR reflow or hot air. A hair dryer doesn't get hot enough, a heat gun is probably too much for sensitive parts. There are hot air rework stations that are designed to do this. They have a heating element that is controlled to a reasonable temperature and an air supply that blows over the heater. Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 2 January 2012 19:36, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=10010116utm_source=gbuk It may be, but how long does it work with ext3? I would rather have rotating storage I can count on for a year or so. I have been using an 8GB one of those to compile EMC2 several times a night for well over a year. I thought it had died once, and bought a replacement, but the problem turned out to be that a log file had filled the entire drive. (my fault, printing a pin value to dmesg every mS) -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:50:10 PM Kent A. Reed did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:06 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen within 20 minutes of the last 3, fully powered down reboots. gkrellm says the 5 volt line is sagging and I say 4.87 volts once. That psu is about a year old. I have a 2 or 3 year old HiPro that is a tad undersized in this box, still holding its 5 volt line at 5.05. But nobody has any more HiPro's. All the rest seem engineered to sag go out of tolerance about 2 weeks after the end of the warraty, worst offenders are Antec. Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a heartbeat. I've found a barebones box with a D525 board in it, for $120, claims to have the lpt on the back panel already. Needs a couple sticks of ddr2, a smallish sata drive and a dvd reader. http://www.outletpc.com/rj3658.html $120 kit $ 29 ram $ 80 500G sata3 drive $ 40 laptop style dvd drive, don't see how desktop would fit $ 24 keyboard/mouse with usb rf dongle _ $293 + whatever Looks like it would be a ready to install 10.04 on. What do the folks here think of this kit? Cheers, Gene Gene: First thoughts 1) what motherboard is it, actually? We've been talking mostly about Intel motherboards containing Intel Atom D510 and D525 processors. I also have an ASUS AT5NM10-I motherboard (with Intel Atom D510 cpu) that seems to be comparable to the Intel D510MO motherboard I used to have, if perhaps just a tick slower on the latency test (I believe both of these boards are now out of production). Don't know about other makes/models. The one I quoted says its a foxconn with the same chipset the real intel board has. 2) why are you willing to trust new power supplies any more than the old grin They just keep getting more cost effective. Tell me about it, these guys are surviving on the replacement market, so they are carefully engineered to fall over a short time after the warranty expires, and of course the warranty is subject to all sorts of fine print provisions so they can wiggle out of it. I would just get in the truck run up to staples and get another, except the only thing on the shelf is 3x what I need, and says Antec on it, sure fire indication of the crappiest PSU around. 3) why do you need the dvd drive? Seems irrelevant in a machine controller. To install from the cd/dvd. Than it can go away, but first the bios must be able to boot from a usb drive, none of mine are capable, hence the requirement for internal sata dvd's in this box, internal pata drives in the other 3 around here. To say my hardware is getting ancient is a given, but then so am I. :) 4) how much RAM are you talking about? I wouldn't settle for less than 1GB. Neither will I, but since 500Megs has dropped off the radar, its now 1Gb minimum, and 2 of them because that sets up the crossfire access making the box 2x faster, so today, 2Gb is minimum. 5) not a knock against this particular combo, but am I the only one who is leery of USB keyboard/mouse connections? Unfortunately, I didn't keep good notes, but I've noticed in playing with odd computers that come my way that some disrupt the latency test when I move the mouse, more so with USB mice. If I ever get some time I'd like to do some experiments. Obviously, it may be dependent on the motherboard, the cpu, the south bridge, the bios, etc., so nailing down definitive guidelines may be difficult. And expensively arbitrary. Buy try IOW. OTOH, ps2 stuff has largely turned into Dodo birds, extinct for the most part. I did, at big lots, find a rubber (comes rolled up in a tube) keyboard with a usb connector on it, but haven't actually plugged it in. The basic idea is a sealed and swarf-proof keyboard. I short out or stick a key about 2x a year here it seems. :( Interestingly, it hasn't crashed in a bit over an hour now, so while I am ssh'd into it, I'm running latency-test. Since its video isn't doing anything but refreshing the stationary local screen, I've got a solid 17.5 u-secs out of a 25 u-sec base thread on that box. But that will triple and throw its one error about 20% of the time just starting emc. But I haven't ever heard its effects in the form of a rough tone from my steppers, so I've not been overly concerned with trying to throw money at it and fix it. Humm, something tickled it, its now up to 18.2 u-secs. For that mobo, that is
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Something like 3 is pronounced in Hants - fwreee, or something like that. (I have seldom heard the 'l' in the US.) D. - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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It is spelled Solder, but pronounced as if the L was silent, sodder. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
One small data point: Be carefull with MB choices, the Intel D525 MB is known to have good latency not sure about the Foxconn. I found that a Foxconn board that we used to sell had much worse latency than the Intel DG41AN. No idea how it compares to the D525. Rogge -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Monday, January 02, 2012 04:02:42 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. Its been pronounced 'soder' for at least 70 years of my watch, on the west side of the pond of course. Never made it to your side since I would have had to pay the freight bill for me. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene In Brooklyn, we had such great pennant races, it made the World Series just something that came later. -- Walter O'Malley, Dodgers owner -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 2:58 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) FYI - the Intel Box CPU set usually come with a CPU fan, Sata Cables, the rear cutout that pops in the chassis - otherwise known as an I/O shield and installation instructions.Since the MW525 does not need a CPU fan, there is no fan included. The Box is really designed for retail sales so it looks nice etc, in contrast to a bulk package.Also the warranty is sometimes different.The Box MW525 has a 3 year warranty. I'm not sure about the bulk packed Motherboards. The MW525 from Intel is a known entity. I have no idea how well the Foxcon 525 board compares. I've assembled several MW525 PCs this past year.The cost difference between the Foxconn 525 and the Intel may be $10. The Intel MW525 boots just fine off an external USB DVD/CDRW drive. Dave -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 2:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: Stuff that I deleted Subtotal 230.25 Shipping Cost (UPSGR)13.22 Total$243.47 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? And is it time I bought a portable dvd writer that plugs into a usb port to do installs such with? Will it boot from a usb dvd drive? It has a db25 for the lpt on the back panel. I bought a usb drive that I never took out of the box. It will boot from a usb drive. Better yet, it will boot and install over the network. I forget the precise trickery, but it involved copying the .iso file to my server, installing a tftpserver, and mounting the .iso using the loopback device. I did need to connect a monitor and keyboard to set the appropriate boot order. (Also, I had to reflash the bios. As shipped, when you told it to reboot, it would hang. You had to power it down and then back up again for it to reboot.) I'll try to keep better notes when I do this again later in the week with my new hardware. Ken I just ordered another one of these -- although the disk price has increased slightly, it is still around $250. Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. It's a nice little package that runs without a fan. Don't forget to order the power cable that is needed to connect the power supply to the motherboard. (I forgot to do this on my first order and got an email telling me that it was needed.) You DO have to assemble it yourself, but that's pretty easy. NOTE -- I am not running EMC on this -- But I am running my phone system on one. Regards, Ken Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? Thanks Ken. Cheers, Gene -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 04:53:35 PM Dave did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:58 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) FYI - the Intel Box CPU set usually come with a CPU fan, Sata Cables, the rear cutout that pops in the chassis - otherwise known as an I/O shield and installation instructions.Since the MW525 does not need a CPU fan, there is no fan included. The Box is really designed for retail sales so it looks nice etc, in contrast to a bulk package.Also the warranty is sometimes different.The Box MW525 has a 3 year warranty. I'm not sure about the bulk packed Motherboards. The MW525 from Intel is a known entity. I have no idea how well the Foxcon 525 board compares. I've assembled several MW525 PCs this past year.The cost difference between the Foxconn 525 and the Intel may be $10. The Intel MW525 boots just fine off an external USB DVD/CDRW drive. Dave One thing seems to be that there is nobody at home, at any of the contact us phone numbers today, so until I can verify how much of a premium I'll ave to pay to swap the foxconn board for the real thing remains to be discovered. Back to shoveling snow intermittently. :( Humm, providence maybe. I called Jim, who did have a computer repair shop up in Jane Lew, but closed it after 2 years because there wasn't enough work coming in to pay him a buck an hour on average, so they loaded up what inventory they had took it home on June 30th last year. Some of that inventory included 5 or 6 Ultra 400 PSU's, so I told him I'd be up and get one as soon as he got home from the funeral parlor, the father of one of the sales guys at the tv station had died. But as I was wrapping up that conversation my phone started the call waiting beeps. It was Mike, 2 doors up the street, offering to give me the innards out of an old compaq he was writing off on this year tax returns. So I grabbed a meter and went up, tossed the mobo out on a wooden board, dug enough out of the box to power it up and measured the PSU out as 5.11 volts on a drive cable. Stayed had a cuppa, then slip-slid my way back to the house, box under arm, no charge, got everything but the hard drive case. It was a 1Ghz athlon, single 256meg memory stick. So my problem may be solved till this next psu fades away. I'll probably see if that memory will fit in an HP I have that has the same CPU but keeps running out of memory because that is all that is in it. That box is into swap in 5 minutes from a cold boot just playing 'intertoobs' music so I haven't tried to use the goat for anything useful. Goat seems an apt name, as its 100% sacrificial, and if it was a cat, would long since be out of lives. :-P Not that I'm going to putz with it tonight, but tomorrow maybe because to get at it, I'll have to prop open the door to make room for a small ladder to reach it. I see the latency-test is still running, showing 21.something u-secs now after about 1.5 hours. With that PSU showing at 4.92. I would dearly love to find the reference in those things be able to jiggle it up .2 volts at a time as they age. But then they couldn't sell me another every 13 months, so those Chinese will see to it that that isn't going to happen, not even if I bet the farm on it. But even the 'dead' ones are excellent src's for power hexfet's when you manage to blow the one in the mills head housing. Besides, the streets have a nice coat of black ice under a 1/4 covering of snow that says I'd better stay home anyway. My Dee is feeling some better, so I don't think I'll have to run out and get her anything yet tonight. And she, knowing the streets are bad, wouldn't send me out unless she was out of smoke, that would do it. ;) Thanks Dave have a better 2012. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene FACILITY REJECTED 10004420; -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 06:26:30 PM Kenneth Lerman did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: Stuff that I deleted Subtotal 230.25 Shipping Cost (UPSGR) 13.22 Total $243.47 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? And is it time I bought a portable dvd writer that plugs into a usb port to do installs such with? Will it boot from a usb dvd drive? It has a db25 for the lpt on the back panel. I bought a usb drive that I never took out of the box. It will boot from a usb drive. Better yet, it will boot and install over the network. I forget the precise trickery, but it involved copying the .iso file to my server, installing a tftpserver, and mounting the .iso using the loopback device. Humm, I hadn't considered that route. Interesting. Stuck in the last decade I am. :) I did need to connect a monitor and keyboard to set the appropriate boot order. A given. (Also, I had to reflash the bios. As shipped, when you told it to reboot, it would hang. You had to power it down and then back up again for it to reboot.) And this box hangs on the shutdown phase, taking an hour to do the swapoff -f if its 200 megs into swap. PIMA is what it is, I usually just give up and hit the reset button. I'll try to keep better notes when I do this again later in the week with my new hardware. Ken Chuckle, BTDT Ken, something I am entirely too remiss at doing myself. Dammit. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene I am what you will be; I was what you are. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
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Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That is fine for any system with a hardware interface (servo or stepper) but may be a little marginal for software step generation. Since I'm a servo bigot, it was quite good for me. The on-board parallel port passed all the tests with my EPP devices. EMC 2.4.x with Ubuntu 10.04 loads and runs with no quirks at all. I did the install on a 16 GB SSD hard drive. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, I have only tested the genuine Intel motherboard. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
andy pugh wrote: No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) Yes, it means there is an individual cardboard box with holographic anti-counterfeit label, meant for sale to the end-user, instead of packed in cases of a dozen or so. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. In the US, the L is silent. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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gene heskett wrote: How about this one? $219 http://www.directron.com/extremevalue.html only needs an optical drive for installs. I am tempted to get 2, one for the lathe. Yup, looks mostly OK to me. It has a plastic window on the side, and a fan. You may need the fan with the magnetic hard drive. They systems I picked out piece by piece were fanless, and used a small SSD. These systems run amazingly cool. I ran one for a day and then opened the case. The big CPU heatsink had a detectable temperature rise, everything else was cold to the touch. I thought in a machine tool environment fanless would be better. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On 1/2/2012 10:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote: gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That is fine for any system with a hardware interface (servo or stepper) but may be a little marginal for software step generation. Since I'm a servo bigot, it was quite good for me. The on-board parallel port passed all the tests with my EPP devices. EMC 2.4.x with Ubuntu 10.04 loads and runs with no quirks at all. I did the install on a 16 GB SSD hard drive. Jon Jon: This is a multi-cpu board. Did you set the isolcpus boot parameter? The reason I ask is IIRC I got similar numbers with a standard boot from the LiveCD on my ASUS board and saw them drop below 1 when I set isolcpus=1. This may be a false memory (I did the tests last winter) and I'm away from the board at the moment. I'll do the tests again in the morning and this time I'll post the results on the Wiki. Regards, Kent -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:40:59 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That's pretty good for onboard video. The board I am currently running has onboard too, but its shared memory, with jitters in the 2 millisecond and up range. Plumb fuggly so I never even tried to use it to move the machine. That is fine for any system with a hardware interface (servo or stepper) but may be a little marginal for software step generation. Since I'm a servo bigot, it was quite good for me. The on-board parallel port passed all the tests with my EPP devices. EMC 2.4.x with Ubuntu 10.04 loads and runs with no quirks at all. I did the install on a 16 GB SSD hard drive. Jon Thanks Jon. I may have found the paddles that will bring my present box back to life. One of the neighbors gave me most of an old compaq today, with a much better psu, a full .2 volts higher, which I think is the main problem with mine. If I can shovel my way to the shop tomorrow (its coming down decent here, about 3 so far), that theory will be tested. If that's not it, then I think I'll get 2 of those, one for the mill one for the lathe. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Earth -- mother of the most beautiful women in the universe. -- Apollo, Who Mourns for Adonais? stardate 3468.1 -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:49:36 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, I have only tested the genuine Intel motherboard. Jon Well, if I have to buy, then I'll have to see what premium they want for the real thing. No use buying a pig in a poke designed to hide the fact that the hams are gone. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Nothing matters very much, and few things matter at all. -- Arthur Balfour -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:52:14 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: How about this one? $219 http://www.directron.com/extremevalue.html only needs an optical drive for installs. I am tempted to get 2, one for the lathe. Yup, looks mostly OK to me. It has a plastic window on the side, and a fan. You may need the fan with the magnetic hard drive. They systems I picked out piece by piece were fanless, and used a small SSD. These systems run amazingly cool. I ran one for a day and then opened the case. The big CPU heatsink had a detectable temperature rise, everything else was cold to the touch. I thought in a machine tool environment fanless would be better. I certainly can't argue that point. Fans suck in everything. OTOH when I built a new box for my drive electronics, I used 1/3 3/16 thick alu panels stuck a 6 rotron 120 volt noisemaker inside the mostly sealed box, then put a another much quieter fan to skim the top with shop air. At 99F in the shop, a probe stuck through an empty cable hole inside about 3 said 107F inside the box after about 7 hours on time. That is good enough for the girls I go with. :-) And it should stay relatively clean inside. I'll see how dirty it has gotten so far in the next day or so as I intend to check dipswitch #4 on the A axis driver, it is not powering down to 50% drive when idle, so that motor is running noticeably hotter than the other 3. If the switch is set, I'll bounce it back, as I bought an extra driver when I bought those. Precisely for that reason. :) Jon Thanks Jon. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is not advice, it is merely custom. -- Mark Twain -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. This phenomenon is known in other languages, too, e.g. in Russian (eto is pronounced like eta). The same is true with lot or bother. As a consequence, the l is omitted in pronounciation. The British still speak an o as an o and keep the l alive. Peter Jon Elson schrieb: andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. In the US, the L is silent. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
